VIDEO: Spider-Man (2002)

Solkir reviews a film starring Willem Dafoe, and some other people.

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  • Muthsarah

    I…really don’t often remember how not good this movie is. But in a fun way. Not quite cheese. It’s not earnest enough, but it’s not camp either. It’s just….that was fun….at the time. But shtupid.

    I love your (re-?)interpretation of Norman. Anything to make that character more interesting and less doofy (the suit really didn’t help). There never shoulda been a Harry Osbourn. Just Norman. Leave more room for Dafoe to strut his stuff. It worked for Jack. But they’ll never do that again, will they? Give an interesting character (and the exponentially better actor) half the screentime, I mean. Especially if he’s older than the target audience. When did audiences stop wanting to see older actors? Who needed Harry? What the hell did he do in any of this movies, other than the Twist, and then a pale imitation of his father?

    I never had any opinion on Peter. Not as good (certainly not as good), but not as bad either. But, yeah, he does seem like an idiot now. And yeah, young people are still learning how to not be stupid. All the more reason for an older character, yeah? Give Willem those powers, and we’ll see how he does. He woulda killed the Goblin in ten seconds prolly. Smashed him against a building, and dropped him on Macy Gray. And while I’ve heard bits n’ thing about Doc Ock as Spidey, it sounds like a truly fascinating idea now that you put the idea in my brain that he’s probably a lot better that way. Because of Peter’s stupidity. Is Doc Ock a middle-aged guy in the comics too (do they have middle-aged characters in comics, or is it college age and then right to Gramma?). Having an older guy, someone who isn’t so hormonal and ignorant, in the body of a young superhero. That almost makes me wanna go out and buy those issues. Are they any good for someone who doesn’t know much of anything about Spidey not gleaned from the Raimi films?

    • MephLord

      Harry Osbourn has been a Marvel character for a VERY long time, and there is no way he’d be excluded from the Spider-Man mythos whenever Norman is involved. It’d be like Batman without Alfred. That being said I did like the progression Harry took to becoming a villain, and Spider-Man 3 really fucked up Harry’s story by having him forgiving Peter for all the crap that Peter did to him. I was hoping that Harry would’ve become the Hobgoblin and that Venom was never going to factor into the film, and have it a more personal story of Peter’s poor decisions coming back to haunt him (I wasn’t even a fan of Sandman being in the movie; if they wanted a second villain I’d rather have had the Vulture using OsCorp tech for his suit).

    • Solkir

      You don’t need much prior knowledge to enjoy Superior Spider Man. I hadn’t picked up a Spider-Man book in years. There’s a few characters I don’t know, but you can kinda learn what they’re all about from the context. There’s two trade collections out right now, so there’s no better time to take a look.

      Also, if there was a movie about Willem Dafoe getting spider powers ( aside from I Sing a Song of Spiders) I would give it all of my money.

  • Alexa

    Definitely agree with you on Spiderman being well pretty terrible at his job, and well as a human being in many respects. While I do love this series, mostly because of nostalgic reasons and that I love Sam Raimi, I never really got the appeal of Spiderman. I think Linkara stated it best in his review of One More Day of how hard it is for Peter Parker to well grow up. His hearts in the right place it seems, but he can’t understand the concept of maturing it feels, which can be attributed to the writers inability to let him mature. Plus another reason I like this series is well they felt like comic book movies, all colorful, had that Raimi charm, and were entertaining, at least for me. Sorry but that supposed gritty, and “realistic” Spiderman was kind of a bore. Plus that throw away line at the end about keeping promises, made me see red it was so stupid.

  • I agree with you on Spiderman not being good at life. Though I was thinking about the brain swap, technically speaking each body got both participants memories and thought they were the other person, but Doc Ock acted like Spiderman, isn’t it more likely that no mind swap took place at all and instead they just each downloaded some memories and got confused at to who they were?…

    Hang with me here. Doc is dying and wants to be Peter, so when he gets a wash of memories he assumes he is Peter now trapped in Doc Ocks body. Peter hates himself and when he gets new memories, the idea of being Doc Ock in Pete’s body is appealing, so Peter thinks of himself as a Doc Ock triumphant. But since Pete is a good guy, he just tells himself that even though he is Doc Ock, Peter was such a good person (patting himself on the back) that Peter’s example has encouraged him to turn a new leaf and be a great superhero. Peter love/hates being Peter so much, he tells himself that he both killed Peter, and was turned into a good guy by Peter.

    I love the Willem DaFoe.
    Also the anti gay-bashing was really well done.
    This is hilarious, good job.

    • Solkir

      Well, If I’d tried to go into any greater detail, the video would have had 5 extra minutes completely unrelated to the film.

      And idk, I really like the idea that Doc Ock is just so much better at being Spider-Man

      • My ramblings are not a criticism. You are just good at sparking this kind of thing in my brain. Which I appreciate, and it is why I watch the show.

        • Solkir

          Oh no, I got that. I just figured there was no response I could make that wouldn’t sound defensive, so it was just easier to say something and clarify later. XP

  • Thomas Stockel

    I agree that Spider Man has been written pretty damn stupidly in the comics over the years. I think JMS wrote a pretty decent Peter, where he became a high school teacher and he got back together with MJ after a separation. And under JMS’ run May discovered Peter was Spider Man and she did not have a stroke like he feared she would.

    It is true that One More Day happened during JMS’ run, as did Peter revealing his secret identity. None of this was JMS’ idea and it was due to editor and chief Joe Quesada giving him marching orders. This is one of the reasons why JMS quit Marvel Comics.

    However, you do raise an excellent point in that after sooooooo many years Peter finally put his education to some use. Funny, though, how during all that time he never got around to getting his Master’s degree. Chalk that up to yet another stupid decision in a lifetime of stupid decisions. :/

    • I loved the JMS run.
      I still do not understand why people disliked Ezekiel and the spider totem concept.

      • Thomas Stockel

        I thought it was an all right idea. JMS was just trying to put together a reason why so many of Spider Man’s villains were animalistic in nature, at least that was part of it. A large part of what killed JMS’ run was all the outside interference, like giving Peter organic web shooters so that he was more like the movie version, or the other things that I mentioned. When Spidey joined the Bendis Avengers I quit because now it was no longer an independent comic, but a satellite comic orbiting Planet Bendis. Pete became Tony Stark’s minion and I hated that with a passion.

        • Necroglobule

          I gave up on Bendis when he turned Spider-Man into a figurative elderly Jewish woman. Seriously, what was the deal with the yiddish?

          • Thomas Stockel

            I’ve always found Bendis’ work to be over rated.

          • I actually love Bendis, and thought that Spderman having to live around and regularly interact with other superheroes as part of a team was more interesting that most of the interactions he has with his typical supporting cast. I generally think that all superheroes benefit from being on teams because the contrast in methodology, style, attitude, and threats are just more interesting.

            Mild Tangent: I think that event books that cross over lots of titles are disasters, World War Hulk and Civil War were dumb, and Fear Itself was just awful. But I really like team books because they can have big stories with big heroic casts without having to jam up the individual characters’ stories going on back in each characters personal series.

          • Thomas Stockel

            And I don’t have a problem with team books, either. But what happened with Spider Man felt more like JMS being given a list of things to do by other writers and editors to further their agendas. Like someone told him “Burn down Aunt May’s home so we can move Peter’s supporting cast into Avengers Tower.” “Have Peter reveal his secret identity, even though he’s kept it secret all these years to protect his loved ones.”

            And I agree that Event books can be a disaster as well, especially when they have dissatisfying payoffs. WWH, for example, was sheer crap, but anything involving Sentry is crap. I don’t even know what happened with Fear Itself as I did not buy the comic and I skipped any tie ins. I did hear it was utterly forgettable.

          • The secret identity reveal was definitely not under the purview of JMS, and I would guess not under Bendis either. Millar wrote Civil War but I am sure that Joe Quasada made the choice for the reveal, they needed a big moment for the even to really advertise.

            And I guess I will disagree again, I liked the Sentry. He is a very Marvel take on Superman, very powerful but crazy in a way that keeps him from actually affecting anything, and now that he isn’t around the new “final Straw” character they call in to resolve things is just back to being Thor or whoever has god like powers for the day. I will admit that Sentry was often used inappropriately and certainly to diminishing effect,

  • Carlos Rivas

    do you intend to make Williem Defoe sound like Harvey fierstien?

  • drumstick00m

    I just want to say thank you for ranting about how awful Spider-man (and his die hard writer/fanboys who like him just the way he is). Peter Parker and Bruce Wayne: an excuse not to grow up and or be an asshole…

    • Solkir

      I was actually expecting a lot more backlash, but everyone who’s commented seems to agree with me.

      And yes, Bruce Wayne is also kind of terrible. There was a point where it seemed like he was starting to grow up and leave behind his brooding misanthropy, but then DC took Damien’s death (and event from a comic that could not possibly have existed in the new 52 continuity) and made it canon. Back to square one.

      • drumstick00m

        Well you have support here. You have done a great thing with your videos. You have created a space where those of us who grew-up reading comics and then actually grew up can talk.

        Though if you do want to speak truth to power as it were (to the–mostly–fanboys who refuse to grow-up), perhaps merely posting thoughts and videos here is not the best way to go…

        • Solkir

          I know, I’ve got other things coming up

  • jojack

    I haven’t read the comics in years. I was unaware peter still hasn’t grown up. I’ll stick with the goofy Japanese spidey.

    • Solkir

      Oh yeah, He’s in his mid-twenties, but people were still writing him like a teenager,