Marvel’s Phase 2: The women deserved better

Marvel Studios makes fucking awesome movies. That’s not exactly a controversial statement to make. And no, not everything they’ve made has been perfect, but they’ve got a certain spark that thankfully has yet to be snuffed out.

As a younger studio, they’re far less cautious or predictable than their older competitors. They have the same fearlessness that made Pixar a success not long ago. They take risks and allow creativity to flourish, which makes their films feel more alive and less processed than similar products from Warner Brothers, Sony, or 20th Century Fox. They’ve made a reputation for themselves as the fan’s studio for their constant shout-outs and Easter eggs designed to appeal to hardcore Marvel zombies, as well as their continued dedication to capturing the look and tone of their colorful characters on film.

That’s really a large part of their success: they give the appearance of actually listening to their audience, while their competitors come off as tone-deaf. Which is why fans tend not to complain that much when Marvel films deviate from the source material, because we’ve learned from experience to trust them to get the heart of the thing right, regardless of the details.

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But it isn’t just the traditional 18-35 white male demographic that’s drawn to the Marvel formula. It’s become apparent that Marvel’s movies have attracted far more female fans than they likely expected. Disney may have purchased the company to be the “boy’s franchise” to complement their more female-targeted princess set, but Marvel’s fangirls are numerous and enthusiastic. Thor’s little corner of the Marvel Cinematic Universe especially tends to draw in lady devotees, but all of the Avengers have their fair share of female admirers.

And the company hasn’t ignored them. Much has been made of Marvel’s repeated appeals to the “female gaze”, with several of their films featuring far more fan service for the ladies than typical summer blockbusters. Also, Marvel heroines tend to have more personality and agency than women in the average superhero film. While WB also makes the attempt to include “strong female characters” in their movies, there’s something that feels effortless about the way Marvel does it.

For example, Black Widow and Jane Foster feel like integral, natural parts of their movies, whereas Selina Kyle and Lois Lane feel more awkward and extraneous, like their roles were added or expanded to fill some diversity quota. Marvel gives the impression that they actually like their female characters and want to give them important roles to play, whereas the competition often appears reluctant to include women at all. Marvel is demonstrably willing to go the extra mile for their female fans.

But it’s not nearly enough.

This is the inherent danger when celebrating something for being “feminist-friendly” or having “strong female characters”; people can sometimes see this accomplishment as equality achieved, rather than just another small step on the road to same. It’s important that in congratulating Marvel for being a little more sensitive to women in their writing and casting, we not make the mistake of overlooking all the ways even they fall short of true gender equality.

For example, Thor: The Dark World got a lot of attention for all the important roles women played in its narrative. Jane Foster was pivotal to the plot, Frigga was a strong mentor and role model, Darcy was a likable comic relief, and Sif got to be a badass without it being a “thing”*. And of course, the film has Tom Hiddleston being angst-y and wisecracking, and Chris Hemsworth taking his shirt off. Marvel knows what its fangirls like.

[*By which I mean, the film allows Sif to be a badass without feeling the need to constantly point it out. As in, “girls being tough is totally not normal, you guys! Look at how not girly she is!”]

Marvel's Phase 2: The women deserved better

But when you really look at The Dark World, the fact that it can be considered progressive in its handling of female characters is rather depressing. Sure, Jane gets to be important… by being turned into the film’s MacGuffin, to be led around, examined, and fought over, one of the most literal ways to objectify someone. Yes, Frigga is a strong, wise woman who’s looked up to by both male and female characters alike… before she’s almost immediately “fridged” in order to provide Loki with motivation to help take down Malekith. Sure, Sif is a badass who fights alongside the boys… who outnumber her four to one.

Well, what about Black Widow, you say? She may have started out as little more than eye candy in Iron Man 2, but with further appearances in The Avengers and Captain America: The Winter Soldier, she’s evolved into a key player in the Marvel movie universe and a great character in her own right.

On the other hand, she remains the sole female member of the Avengers, and one of the only two not to have a solo film. A Black Widow prequel movie has been rumored for some time now, but apparently fast-tracking the talking space raccoon was more of a priority than potentially making the first good solo superheroine movie ever.

Marvel's Phase 2: The women deserved better

And speaking of Guardians of the Galaxy, let’s talk Gamora. On the surface, she seems to be another success for Marvel’s gallery of lady ass-kickers. She’s visually distinctive, features a great performance by Zoe Saldana, and even delivers what’s possibly the most quotable line in the movie*. On the other hand, she’s also once again the sole female in her group, and to make matters worse, she’s the least developed. Her character arc amounts to little beyond being a tightwad and Star-Lord teaching her to lighten up a bit, which is already a worn out stereotype for female characters. Her personality also leaves something to be desired, as she’s basically a mishmash of character traits that Drax and Star-Lord both already respectively possess in spades.

[*Which for Guardians is saying quite a lot.]

Marvel's Phase 2: The women deserved better

Unfortunately, the future of Marvel doesn’t hold much promise of improving on these shortcomings. A female-led film has yet to be officially put on their release schedule, and the only new superheroine we have actual confirmation of is the Scarlet Witch, due to join the Avengers in Age of Ultron. And even that good news is tempered with the fact that she’s joining alongside four new male members (Quicksilver, the Vision, War Machine, and possibly Falcon), so the male-to-female ratio on this team isn’t showing signs of improving.

Marvel's Phase 2: The women deserved better

For all the good Marvel has done for their female characters, they’re still stuck in the roles of either sidekick or love interest, and are vastly outnumbered by their male castmates. The studio is still slower to put films starring women as the title characters* into production than all other projects, and merchandise featuring female characters is noticeably rarer and harder to find than merch for their male counterparts. There is progress to be found in Marvel’s movies, no question. But progress is not an end, it is a means. We have much, much further to go. There is still so much more Marvel could and should be doing, and we must demand it from them. Praise them when they take steps in the right direction, but don’t forget to point out where they fall short. We deserve a better Marvel than the one we have.

[*Seriously Marvel, where is that damn Ms. Marvel movie?]

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  • You do realize that the way women are presented is true to the comics, but surprisingly enough, they have been less sexualized in the cinematic universe?

    I don’t know the article feels nitpicky just for the sake of it.

    • If this is true to the comics, then the comics have major issues with women and it’s a bad idea to copy them in that respect.

      • It’s true in the number of women present, how they act and the function they serve. And you know what? It’s been that way for decades. I’m not saying it’s good or bad, that’s for you to decide, I’m simply telling it how it is in the comic industry.

        And you *have* to give the studio credit for not sexualizing women as they do in the comics, but you may have missed that part in my post, even when it’s kind of important.

        • That’s more of a damning indictment of comics than a point in the studio’s favour. ‘It could be worse’ is not inspiring.

          • And? It’s how the industry has been for decades; I stopped reading comics over ten years ago and it has not yet changed one bit.
            That said, maybe your righteous internet rage could be better aimed at the companies. I’m just the guy stating how flawed it is.

        • This is stupid. The movies were under no obligation to be made, and the idea that they were just following the established biases and oversights of an industry based out of the 40’s and 60’s is dumb.

          They could have easily skipped making a Thor movie and made a Ms. Marvel movie instead, she would serve the same role on the team, they skipped making Ant-Man till later why not put off making Thor in favor of Ms. Marvel?

          • Ask the studio. I, unfortunately, do not work there.

  • Jonathan Campbell

    The problem is that female heroines are less developed in the source material and this transfers to the movies. If the movies are sexist, it’s baggage from the comics. Black Widow might be every bit as interesting and badass as, say, Daredevil, but there is a reason DD gets his own movie and show and Widow doesn’t and it isn’t because the studios are prejudiced; it’s because Daredevil has a much richer backstory and cast of characters to play with.

    Natasha simply doesn’t have the stories or supporting cast that her male counterparts have, and if you are going to do adaptations, you will always pick the most popular and interesting stuff first (GotG might have been unknown, but it had a rich world to explore and it was essential worldbuilding for the wider mythos is they are making). That female characters lack this (at least by comparison) is a legacy of the comics, but however ugly the reasons for them not having as much to work with, the fact is they don’t have as to work with and ultimately Marvel is limited in how many movies it can produce no matter how many they appear to be churning out right now.

    There is a utilitarian logic to the movies they choose to produce and women have the short end of that, but at the same time it’s not the most appealing idea in the world to make a female superhero movie just for the sake of having a female superhero movie. They need one that is not only good, but that adds to the mythology in a meaningful way.

    Not saying there aren’t ways to do that, but I can see the challenge. At the end of the day, I’d always look forward to a Dr Strange flick more than a Ms Marvel one, and it isn’t because of the ” Ms” part. It’s because Strange has a more interesting world to play in. Female heroes are harder to adapt not because they themselves are not interesting, but because the male ones starred in better developed comics.

    EDIT: I forgot that Jessica Jones is getting her own TV show though, as is Agent Carter, so that’s something I guess.

    • CaptainCalvinCat

      Oh, I’d have an idea or two about a Black Widow Show. You could have a “spy-show” built around her, not that much of the “agents of shield”-route, but more the “James Bond”-kind of show, with Natasha as the main focus.
      While the “Agents of Shield” go more or less looking for strange artifacts (right?), Natasha could go after the big guys, after arms dealers, counter-spies, Plus – in true “Arrow”-fashion (hey, I like that show!) we get background-stories about her, maybe, that the rich backstory, that Black Widow has (trained by the KGB, then going over to america) still is true and that she actually is far more older, than she looks like.

      As the crossover-nut that I am, I would even have an idea for that, namely that she once knew two scientists, one Elena and one Atsushi. They were working for an organization in Japan, that was actually (which we learn now) was a branch of Hydra. Natasha killed them both, because a) she was that way back in the day and b) Elena and Atsushi were experimenting with dangerous knowledge – a drug, that was said to be able to “raise the dead”, once it was completed. So, Natasha killed them, but not before taking one of the pills with her.

      That sole pill she was bringing home to russia, showing it to her superior, who then turned the tables on her and made her swallow it. His logic is quite simple: When this drug is raising the dead, what do you think, does it do with people, who are not dead? Right – it keeps them alive indefinitely.

      One of the side-effects of the drug – the other one is, that it is working that badly, that inside that “Organization” Elena and Atsushi were working in, its succsessor would be dealt with as one of the deadliest poision in possession of the Organization – is that one of ten (the other nine are dying) is de-aging into a 7 year old child.

      And if that Black-Widow-Show would be kicking off and this storyline could work, then ABC would need to make contact with Gosho Aoyama, if they could make a Case-Closed-TV-Show, because Elena and Atsushi are the parents of Akemi Miyano and Shiho Miyano (Sherry / Ai Haibara) from Detective Conan.

      • Jonathan Campbell

        Actually no, Agents of SHIELD goes after both artifacts AND the big guys.

        • CaptainCalvinCat

          Hmmmm . like I said, I have no chance of watching that show right now, so – tell me, how do they go after them? Do they go undercover or do they use their tech-tech to capture them? Because, I think, they still could tell a story about Black Widow being an undercover-operative.

          • Jonathan Campbell

            They use a variety of means, tech and undercover and everything else.

            Right now its no longer focused on a single team, but the remnants of the entire SHIELD organization, engaged in a war with HYDRA. And there is stuff about aliens and superhumans going on as well.

            They’ve done the undercover thing twice, so Black Widow would definitely work from that perspective. The only thing against her is that, well, she’s on the Avengers now, and is probably pretty famous by this point.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Okay, but a black-widow-show COULD work as a prequel, after all, she is pretty famous now, but we do not know that much about that fiery red head. ^^

          • Jonathan Campbell

            I suppose but…a film would probably be better.

            I don’t know if Natasha could carry her own show, unless it was a mini-series like Daredevil- who COULD carry his own show, but apparently isn’t allowed it.

            Like I said, the problems with the female heroes is that they don’t have great source material to work with. You COULD make a Black Widow show, but you’d have a limited amount of stuff to work with, and there would always be better comics worth adapting.

            If they ever did Black Widow I’d rather it be her own movie, and I’d rather it not be a prequel, though they could use it to delve into her backstory. And it would have to be related to the wider verse. Not saying there aren’t a bunch of things you could do with this character, but I’d rather there be some sort of point to it.

            A Phase 4 movie might work, since this bigger myth arc involving Thanos will be over by then and the spotlight will no longer be on Cap, Thor and Iron Man or other big heroes. Basically it would be like having a fresh start and you’d be able to use her solo outing to set up whatever comes next.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Well, it wouldn’t be that much of a lack of stuff to work with – we just need to remember, who and what she is. here’s a list of her abilities (curtesy from Wikipedia:
            Slowed aging

            Enhanced immune system

            Abnormally superior athletic condition

            Extensive military, hand-to-hand combat, martial arts, and espionage training


            Enhanced psychological defenses)
            With those abilities, can concuct a story around her – might it be prequel-wise or more in the flow of the story.
            I imagine her being more or less the lone wolf of spy-world, sometimes teaming up with the avengers, sometimes not.
            What does she do during the times, she’s not seen in the movies? What missions is she on then? At least I think, that’s quite an interesting story.

            She is a spy, so – we could use that angle, maybe give her the ability of mastering disguises (which would do wonders for the shows budget, being not forced to use Scarlett Johansson everytime, they could show her don a costume and work with another actress), which is giving her the possibility of doing some undercover-spy-stuff.

  • Wizkamridr

    If women were less sexualized in the comics, I might have
    more interest in reading their stories. I can’t take you seriously when you are
    running around half naked.

    At least Supergirl is getting her own TV show.

    D.C. 1

    Marvel 0

    • Jonathan Campbell

      Jessica Jones and Agent Carter are BOTH getting their own TV show. And both will be out before Supergirl.

      Marvel: 2

      D.C: 0 (the Marvel ones are in production and finished, respectively, so they get points while Supergirl doesn’t).

      • Wizkamridr

        I wouldn’t know. I don’t pay attention to characters I’ve
        never heard of. I’m guessing they are D-list. I’m more interested in Supergirl.
        Marvel gets the upper hand again? Meh.

        • Jonathan Campbell

          Agent Carter is the girlfriend of Captain America from the first movie. Her show will be set in the 40’s or 50’s and will detail the origins of SHIELD.

          Jessica Jones is a private investigator and an ex-superheroine who Is married to the hero Luke Cage. Her show has a good chance of featuring the villain The Purple Man, who you may or may not have heard of.

          The more you know.

  • Out of curiosity, what’s Gamora’s most quotable line? Because when it comes to Guardians, what immediately comes to mind is “We are Groot” so I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

    Also I’m expecting Captain Marvel to be announced once Avengers 2 is out in theaters so as to keep the surprise tease going. Also that her movie will get the 2017 release date, beating Wonder Woman to be the first solo female superhero film from Marvel or DC.

    • Jonathan Campbell

      Current confirmed Phase 3 films:

      – Ant-Man
      – Dr Strange
      – Captain America 3
      – Guardians of the Galaxy 2

      I’ve heard somewhere that Marvel will try for 9 movies for Phase 3 (though I’m not entirely convinced) so given that one of the next Phase 3 films is almost certainly Thor 3 and Avengers 3 is rumoured to be a 2-parter that could mean at most two slots left. And given the trailer for Age of Ultron appears to feature Ulysses Klaw its a fair bet that Black Panther might be filling one of those slots.


    • Toby Clark

      The first one that comes to mind is “I am going to die surrounded by the biggest idiots in the galaxy.”

    • I was thinking of the “Pelvic sorcery” line when I wrote that.

    • Gamora has a few good lines but far, far less than the other Guardians.

    • Welp, guess Wonder Woman will come out first, but still, Captain Marvel confirmed for 2018.

  • And no mention of Agent Carter?

    • You’re right, I probably should’ve mentioned that. Slipped my mind.

  • Moppet

    Ms. marvel and Wasp would be nice to see at some point, not because they have to, I don’t want them to do it because they feel like they have to due to demand. I want them to do it because “they” want to. It’s an issue, because if they just do it because they feel pressured into it by fans, that can go badly. Really badly. the feeling that you’d rather be doing something else can infest a film, and color it negatively.

    I’m not saying there aren’t writers and directors that wouldn’t want to do the female super heroes justice. I’m saying that, when the time comes, I hope they’re the ones that get the chance, rather than some other writer/director that would rather be doing something else, but has to because pressure was applied and they got picked.

    Does that make the slightest amount of sense? I hope it does. Maybe I’ll get to see Wasp and Ms. Marvel in a movie one day, hopefully they’ll be great. With Ant Man upcoming, and I don’t know much about it, I really hope Wasp is in there, somewhere, because I can’t imagine an Ant Man movie without Wasp, but then again I couldn’t imagine the Avengers without Ant Man and Wasp at one time either. Ms. Marvel would probably be one of the more obvious picks for a solo movie.

    On an unrelated note, I still hope someone behind the studio doors wants to make a Black Panther movie and join them up with the Avengers one day.

    The want and drive for the people making the movies to do these things is more important than my, or any fan’s, wants, and I believe this because I look at the problems with some of the ways DCs characters have been translated and they reek of, “We’d rather be doing something else.”

  • mamba

    I pointed this out once before, but I think it’s almost impossible for a studio or a writer or an artist to make a work of art that will not seem either short of the mark, or pandering. No matter WHAT they do, someone will inevitably point out the fact that the men are overshadowing them, or that it’s clearly just trying to appease the women superficially, even if the woman is 100% perfectly represented in the movie.

    I know, “examples, you fool!” you call out. Ok, now remember that QUALITY of movie varies by opinion, so I’m only going to focus on the characterizations and the way people react (the important part).

    -Barb Wire/P.I.Wachovski: Female positive movies, hear me out: women acting exactly like their male counterparts in other movies, love interst only for plot progression to enhance the character’s arc (not ‘just because’), strong female centric, clearly not cliche femality except to poke fun of it obviously (barb wire chipping a nail after a huge gunfight with a simple “dammit”), and sexuality was used by them to manipulate people (JUST like James Bond, so no sexism trope). So what was the response from people? Clearly pandering, overtly unnecessarily sexual (remember, same as James Bond!), not realistic (???, it’s a movie!), etc. Just made them women for the heck of it. So this wasn’t enough to please anyone, even though it hit the marks.

    -The movies YOU listed: Marvel’s going out of their way to try and show well rounded females, and the response is “Yeah, but they still have too many men around”. OK then, so let’s make all female centric show: My Little Pony, strong characters, excellent plots, no tropes except to poke fun of, and this time clearly overshadowed female population. So what’s the response? Again pandering (“character’s are women just to suck up”), the males get shafted (ALL the guys on the show are sexist tropes, just as much as women would be on other ‘sexist’ shows), and it still isn’t enough for people.

    -almost ANYTHING by Joss Wheton. The guy knows how to write women balanced. Yet again, it’s never enough (avengers, Buffy, s.h.i.e.l.d, etc…) Had he made the cast exactly 50% women, I’d bet people would STILL complain that it just pairs up man to woman so it’s love interest fodder.

    -Thor changed to a woman (or any other gender/swapped role): response is clearly pandering, traditionally male character, blah blah. So even when they try and CORRECT a problem it still pisses off people.

    (there are dozens and dozens more, but that’s good for now)

    So the conclusion seems simple: Until people can get over the fact some people have breasts and some people don’t, a writer simply cannot write anything that will make sexist people happy. The entire cast could be females (as it is in dozens of films, both B grade and higher) and still people will complain “yeah, but the majority of the movies aren’t like that!” . (to me, a default complaint when there’s nothing to complain about in a particular movie’s sexism, like it’s the responsibility of ONE movie to correct the mistakes of ALL movies)

    They could write the perfect character, and they pull the gender out of a hat at the end, and people will still complain that he wasn’t thinking of a woman originally. Nothing will ever be good enough as long as people are looking to FIND problems…even when the studios are actually trying really hard! So if they know they’ll never please people, and they already have these established characters that work well and still have women characters that at least THEY’RE proud of (as creators), then why is a surprise they just ignore the noise and do what they want anyway?

    If you had a nagging husband that no matter what you did for them they still complained, you’d probably stop trying to go out of your way to please their opinions after a few years too, because what would be the point if they’re never satisfied anyway?

    Personally, I like the female characters, even the ones you listed, and I can appreciate them as they are not caring who or what ELSE is around them. After all, it’s only a matter of time before we solve this sexism issue and fans can start complaining that there’s not enough Russian or Inuit representation, or whatever else will replace the complaining…because THAT certainly will never go away from fans! :)

    • Murry Chang

      Plus, to be fair, there’s only so much time in a movie or series of movies. Marvel does a pretty good job with Agents of SHIELD…there’s plenty of female and minority representation and none of them are extremely generic characters. You can do a lot more with 10+ hours worth of time to fill per season than you can with 2-3 hours of time every few years.

      • mamba

        Very true, and that’s where Marvel can benefit from the “shared universe” concept, since snippets of a character’s development can be spread across various movies/shows to give them the time, even between their own appearances in their own movies.

        For example, a cameo in, say…a Thor movie from an agent…can build them up when they cameo in another movie, so by the time they star in their own show, they’re already well known and well rounded people, and they never even had a major role.

        (Of course I’m talking about Agent Coulson, and the way they built him up was great, wasn’t it? )

  • Gallen Dugall

    I consider it a sign of how hidebound the film industry is. They have a formula and they’re sticking with it because they attribute success to a formula instead of things like story. Biggest sign of this was the shoe horned in perfunctory protagonist romance in GotG, which is only there to have the box checked off on the formula checklist.

  • Murry Chang

    Actually, the one problem I had with GotG was that NONE of the characters had an arc. They were all basically at the same place they were at the start of the movie. Sure, they were a team by the end of it, but they hadn’t actually changed as characters.

    • Alexa

      Hmm I kind of disagree, they grew a bit they all learned that isolating yourself never really does any good, as seen with Drax, and as well as being proactive is the better option, which is seen with Rocket. Also Star Lord having to deal with his mother’s death by the end. But yeah Gamora was a pretty thin character but she felt similar to Drax in some regard.

      • Murry Chang

        I’ll somewhat give you that, but still, very light character development for a 2.5 hourish running time.

        • Alexa

          Well they have to get the plot going, but I thought the development ample enough plus there is the sequel…

          • Murry Chang

            Compare it to the first Star Wars. I’ll give them the fact that they didn’t know if another movie would be made, but it was shorter, had the funny bits, the action bits, the plot and yet FAR more character development.

            Though, more to the topic of this article, Princess Leah got the least character development.

        • Jonathan Campbell

          Yeah, I’m sort of siding with you. I don’t think Gamora got much more or less character development than anyone else. If it comes across that way its because she was the straight (wo)man of the group, which usually means the character the audience is least interested in. Not because they don’t have any depth or backstory, but because Star Lord, Drax, Rocket and Groot are all funnier and more engaging.

          But none of them got a great deal of character development. I wouldn’t say they didn’t have a character arc, but such arcs as they were definitely played second-fiddle to the plot and the comedy.

          • Murry Chang

            It’s somewhat a function of the story they were telling too. Gamora actually has some really good character development…IF you’re telling the story of her deciding to defy Thanos’ conditioning and go against his wishes. Since GotG kind of tells the second part of her story, you can’t really expect that much character development. Star Lord is really the only GotG character that doesn’t suffer from that issue.

  • Jonathan Campbell

    Captain Marvel.

    July 6th 2018.

    Its confirmed.

    Black Panther too, starring Chadwick Boseman.

    Also announced- Captain America: Civil War (w/ Tony Stark); Thor: Ragnarok; The Inhumans; and Avengers: Infinity War Part 1 and 2 (Inhumans and Captain Marvel will be released after Part 1 but before Part 2).

    Benedict Cumberbatch is rumoured as Dr Strange and Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is re-confirmed as well.

    And…Ant-Man is in there somewhere, I guess.

    Anyway, that’s the latest.

  • Dar

    Here’s an idea for you, Joshueena: how about women and wannabe women like you actually go out and develop your own female-powered comics?

    Oh that’s right, you can’t. You lack the talent. So instead you whine and bitch and demand that others change their creation to suit your agenda.

    Just like your Marxist intellectual ancestors, you want to take away from others to “re-distribute”.

    • CaptainCalvinCat

      Well, to me it is not that different from when other reviewers bitch and whine about other – and more miniscule – details in other filmms and franchises.
      Take Erod, for example. I watched his “Vampire Academy” review and I thought “quit complaining, Erod, the Bodyquard is not yapping that much.”.

      the interesting thing about lacking talent: I noticed with the works of the Blockbuster Buster very early on, that he is using the exact plotpoints he complained about in the movie in the storyline, that bookends the reviews.

      To me – I’m a fanfiction author – I go out and develop my own story, where the true intellect is the Captain’s XO, his confidante and girlfriend, while he is a relatively incompetent nincompoop. It’s fun – at least to me. ^^

      • Dar

        The thing is, he’s not so much complaining about the quality or nature of a creation, rather he’s complaining about wanting something to be done, he’s making a request for something.

        It’s one thing to complain “Well, “Phantom Menace” suck because…”, it’s another to complain”Why can’t Lucas make a sci-fi Western about dragons?” for example.

    • Because when they do make them, we end up with hordes of dudebros whining about how women are “taking over” or “ruining” the medium. See also; video games.

      Also, dude, using Marxist as an insult is so overused as to be utterly meaningless; especially in America where Marxist doesn’t actually mean “follower of the economic and political philosophies of writer Karl Marx” but rather “anything that Cishet White Men don’t like.”

      In fact, I honestly think that in the history of mankind, the majority times a sentence has started with the phrase “Well why don’t you just…”, the sentence has had a stupid ending, or at the very least an ending that shows that the person who is speaking it really has no f-ing clue what they’re talking about.

      • justin garner

        “we end up with hordes of dudebros whining about how women are “taking over” or “ruining” the medium. See also; video games.” How does this shape what an industry makes, could it be the “dudebros” happen to be the ones keeping the lights on. It’s shocking to me all these people who care so much about the image of women in “their” comics don’t actually create any of their own content to feed to their like minded counterparts. Stop demanding changes to existing characters and make your own. Marvel wouldnt be what they are now for people like you to complain about with out “dudebros” spending their money for decades.

        • Excuse me while I get out the world’s smallest violin for you and your hardship. The comic industry has to acknowledge that people not like you exist. You clearly have it worse than anyone has ever had it ever.

  • chachi

    As much as I’d like to support this piece in spirit, it sounds like it’s written by a non-comic fan. Go and read every Guardians of the Galaxy comic ever, and you’ll see that the movie succeeded in making an intriguing female character whereas the comics just made a prolonged fringe fetish (guys have loved green chicks ever since Start Trek). I have five words for you when it comes to chicks in comics getting into movies: Cat-fucking-woman and Elektra. ‘Nuff said.