VIDEO: Analyzing the Avengers: Here Come the Girls

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For the final installment of Analyzing the Avengers, Ursa takes a look at all the secondary and tertiary female characters that populate the Marvel Movie-verse. Why does Pepper wear those shoes? Who is Darcy written for? How does the narrative reward Dr. Foster for her career? And is Thor’s wardrobe department awesome, or what? Some of these questions and more will be answered, as we talk about the brilliance of the Avengers ladypeople!* (*Not so much the two Betty Rosses. But still.)

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  • Sofie Liv

    It honestly is a big shame they didn’t manage to have a good Betty Ross since she is actually really one of the more compelling comic book characters out there, and had several pretty cool interpretations in animated form.

    She is a highly classiefied scientist, whoms dad is a military leader and thus she grew up in a strict military home. She recents her dad, but also loves him. And there is a big conflict among the two since General Ross never even liked Bruce Banner to begin with when Betty started to date him, but then Bruce became the hulk, and well, it became easy for the general to put all blame on him, while Betty is more understanding of both the Hulks and Bruce’s situation. Even if she herself in the long run can’t manage the strain and ends on a;
    “I will always help you when you ask for it, but we can’t be together any longer.”

    So yeah, compelling, conflicted character whom has done a lot of stuff on her own and is very useful to Bruce and the Hulk.

    Any-ways.. daww, no more talk about Pepper, as I’ve stated before, without needing to kickass or being superhuman, she’s still so perfect, so necesary, so involved, makes so much sense. she’s just perfect.

    As you can imagine I highly enjoyed this video and your views on the matter, always nice to hear more different view points on this subject.

    • Jill Bearup

      Comic Betty, from what I’ve heard, is much more interesting than Movie!Betty. I believe Comic!Pepper gets to be a superhero too, at one point or another.

      Pepper would be the most levelheaded superhero ever, I’d love to see that. Because yeah, I like her lots. :)

      • In the comics a while back, Tony knew some bad stuff was going to go down and he might need rescuing, so he secretly had a suit built for Pepper and had the information on how to get to it delivered to her if/when he got into trouble.

        • Jill Bearup

          Knowing Tony, this seems eminently sensible.

  • Jay_Bay

    but….but…..why not Nick Fury?

    • Jill Bearup

      I like Nick Fury, but ten episodes on the Avengers is probably sufficient. Maybe when the sequel comes out we’ll talk some more about SHIELD, and his Royal Swishy-Coatedness.

  • Thomas Stockel

    Seeing this excellent analysis of the women of Marvel makes me think that Lois Lane has a great deal to live up to in the upcoming Superman movie.

    And personally I like the SHIELD uniforms; what better way to insure your agents remain fit for duty than to keep them in uniforms that hide nothing. :D

    • Jill Bearup

      That would be cunning. Mean, but cunning.

  • MephLord

    Ursa I have to agree with you on all counts but one. Sif is a character that gets disregarded and that’s an insult to her in a lot of ways. I might have to rewatch Thor but she was always his wife in mythology Frigga, Freyr, Heimdall, Baldur, Hela, and Magni are all pretty strong characters in the Norse mythology I ever read (my favorites growing up were Sigurd and Fenrir). So although it’s not part of my culture it is something I took an interest in a child and it stuck with me. That and of course I was a Marvel fan not a DC fan growing up, but even I knew that the Marvel Thor wasn’t the Mythology Thor but loved the different tone of the conversation that seemed more regal and eloquent amongst gods than commoners, so it seemed to make sense to me back then.

    Giving Thor a civilian identity makes sense, but giving him civilian vulnerabilities just rang hollow for how I felt about the character. Wolverine’s healing factor didn’t go away because his Dad got all in a hissy fit, and it seemed more of a way to de-power Thor than tell a story. I realize the two characters are not the same, but Wolverine and Thor don’t have the same female sensibilities to guide them. In the comics Jubilee was the closest he had to a female confidante he had, since Lady Deathstrike, Phoenix and Spiral wanted to kill him, while Emma Frost, Psylocke and Mystique manipulated him. I suppose Rogue was also a friend but not the same level as Jubilee.

    • Jill Bearup

      You’ve lost me. Specifically with the comparing Wolverine and Thor point. Extremely specifically the female sensibilities part. Could you…try and explain that again?

    • Cristiona

      Well, in the comics, he’s two characters, Dr. Blake and Thor. Instead of having him being “trapped” in a human’s subconscious (or whatever weirdness they used in the comics), they just had Odin strip him of his powers.

      • Jill Bearup

        Ohhh…so that whole ‘Doctor Donald Blake’ thing was a reference to how they did it in the comics?


        • Sofie Liv

          yeah, Doctor Blake is thors original secret identity. Originally he was a doctor, whom just happened to stumble over a magical cane in a cave, and that cane would transform into a hammer as well as him into thor when he said the right magical word.

          So for a while, he was just an ordinary human being, turning into the god of thunder when he said the magic word. Then first later it was revealed (or the writers came up with the idea.) that he was the actual Thor all along, but had forgotten that little fact when he had been banished to earth and stripped of his powers by his father, until he could proof himself worthy and gradually earn his more permanent powers back.
          But the whole thing about him having a secret identity and so on now seems to be a thing of the long since forgotten past, thrown out of the window a looooong time ago.

        • Cristiona

          Yup. Sofie got the details. I thought it was a nice little wink to the comic books without being all “HEY! WE’RE MAKING A REFERENCE HERE!” about it.