VIDEO: The Tenth Doctor: a tribute

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In her last Doctor Who episode (for a while, anyway), Ursa gives us a rundown on: David Tennant, NuWho seasons 2 through 4.5, the Doctor getting too human, the Time Lord Victorious, how (not) to set up your replacement, and why Ten is her favorite. Video may also include an angry Welshman shouting over the phone.

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  • CaptainCalvinCat

    The doctor, that cemented me into being a whovian, was Matt Smith – well, not entirely true. It was the companion, that cemented me into being a full-hearted whovian: Amelia Pond. I liked her – I thought she was quite awesome and I came to like the motormouth-y performance of Matt Smith in his entire run.
    He blabbers and blabbers and suddenly he says: “Oh, no, sorry, my fault, forget what I said” and then he starts again.
    I can see why that rubs people the wrong way, but I find it quite cool. To me Matt Smith’s Doctor is a bit like Stargate’s Doctor Daniel Jackson on Speed.

    But yes, David Tennant was awesome, too – he had some good episoded, some bad… and the companion I started with, was Rose Tyler so – I have to admit: I don’t care what people say about her beinig too “bleh” or whatever they bitch and moan about: She is one of my favourites.
    So is Amy, Rory and River – and again: I don’t care what people say about River being a Mary Sue…
    I stumbled upon the works of Karl May, who wrote Winnetou etc. and the protagonist of the books is basically a Gary Stu. He is a personification of the author, he is a greenhorn, although he is much better at all the trapper-stuff than the more seasoned trapper (Sam Hawkens is a legend and yet, Old Shatterhand – the protagonist – is better than him, while Hawkins himself is portrayed as an incompetent bumbling fool), he is better at the indian-stuff than the chief of the appaches… so – yeah… Karl May wrote a Gary Stu – and yet he is famous for writing very good prose.

    The same thing with River Song: yes, she’s a Mary Sue and yet – I like her.

    • I think most people dislike River because they believe (either consciously or unconsciously) there can only be one character who is a Mary Sue on the show… He’s called the Doctor. Having River around doing stuff as well as he can muffles his importance (this is wrong, I like it when my protagonists have peers to interact with rather than just sidekicks), which is half the reason why Davis locked out all of Galifrey at the start of NuWho.

      • Jill Bearup

        I…have very mixed feelings about River.

        I want to like her, I really do, but the weird quasi-abusive relationship she and the Doctor have ‘Don’t let him see you hurt’ ‘He doesn’t like endings’ my-life-is-arranged-around-his stuff is….eurgh.

        • CaptainCalvinCat

          Okay, the “my life is arranged around his” plus the fact, that he is the son in law of his companion is both very creepy and … incredibly funny. I liked the scene, in which Amy notices, that she very early hit on her son in law. Her face is priceless in that minute.

          But – yes, I can see, why people would not like THAT particular part.

  • Richard Eriksson Hjelm

    10 Felt like he was bouncing a bit between extremes which could make him a tad to difficult to follow for my tastes

  • Spitting in the stew pot?
    He took a dump in it.

    I HATE Ten’s ending. It retroactively poisoned his whole run. And I can point to an example of how heroic death is handled better in so many instances that it boggles my mind. Even by heroes who are less dynamic and interesting than the Doctor.

    Here is an example. The Superhero known as Blue Beetle, real name Ted Kord was investigating a conspiracy, during that investigation he uncovers a massive effort to infect people with nanites to turn them into an army with which to kill all of the Superhumans (good and evil) on the planet. Kord pursues this to the man at the top, and since Ted is not a “super” hero, just a guy in a garish costume who invents things the bad guy offers him an alliance… Ted tells him to fuck himself, and gets shot in the face. It is awesome, sad, and leads to the Blue Beetle mantel being assumed by the current holder.

    Hell, Nine had a better exit, in a few sentences he said how he was glad for what he had accomplished, and he was also glad that he would carry on in a new form.

    Really most of Ten’s exit had been an issue going back thru the whole episode fighting the Master in the most convoluted plot I have ever seen. His cult infiltrates a prison, and the cult is invaded by another cult. There is a rich father daughter couple financing things, the cactus people… What exactly was I supposed to think when the Master eats chicken really quick? Fear? It’s just silly. And the final issue of how to open the door… I could have figured that out with some string and a stick… or one of those dipping birds… or the funny little robot he used to escape Mars in the last episode and is still in the TaRDiS!… And Donna not dieing in spite of, “HER MIND WILL BURN, AND SHE WILL DIE!” horseshit that Ten kept repeating.

    God that episode sucked.

    • CaptainCalvinCat

      And here we have a prime example of “it is just subjetivity”… I liked the ending – I liked the scene, where Ten is standing in the middle of the Tardis, tears falling down his eyes and he utters “I don’t want to go!”…

      • Sean Tadsen

        I also liked Ten’s departure. It leaned a bit on the fourth wall, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

  • Muthsarah

    You thought “Tooth and Claw” was stupid and that the ending of “Girl in the Fireplace” was bad? I’m balancing on the edge of Who-fandom (I’m on the eeeedge!!!!), and you’re not helping. I really liked both episodes, “Fireplace” in particular. I loved all of Moffatt’s early works, FWIW.

    My God, Series 2 of NuWho was about as good as it got for me (though I still like Ninth Doctor the best among Doctors….among the two Doctors I’ve actually seen, even though I still like Tennett, so I guess I like every Doctor I know). And…it’s “not objectively that good”? Compared to what? Season 3???? I mean…Series 3???? Series 2 is stupid…but good…or good, despite being stupid…?? I….don’t…..

    *head Asplode*

    Is this how Who fans typically feel? Is it supposed to be this confusing? ‘Cuz I feel like I…I just….I don’t know how I’m supposed to feel about this show. Any seas…series. Am I supposed to think it’s good, or just campy stupidness? I don’t know. I DON’T KNOW! And I’m just getting more confused!

    I can’t get over the very real fact that I WANT to love this show more than I do. Prolly ‘cuz I can’t get over the feeling that there’s so much I’m just not getting….It’s almost always fun to watch, but I can’t escape the idea that I’m always missing something, ALWAYS, with every episode I watch, possibly because of the long history. And every review from every Who-vian ever, from you to Sofie to Nash, to…some other guy, I don’t remember, maybe Linkara??? (Don’t quote me). Every one of you (yes, YOU, Ursa) make so much of so much that I just don’t pick up on. Is this based on pre-NuWho knowledge? Or am I just stupid? I’m open to both. The Seaso–Series Four two-parter Library-book-thingees-whatever episode was magNIficent, FWIW. And I skipped ahead for that one. I do love. I can love. I want to love. I even enjoyed both “Fear Her” and “Love and Monsters”. FEAR HER and LOVE AND MONSTERS. And every dedicated Whovian I’ve run across thinks that’s sinful. And I hated such stupid episodes as that stupid one where the Doctor stupidly supposedly met the Devil (I didn’t watch the second part, I hated the first one so much), and I hated the stupid “perpetual traffic jam” episode too. I don’t know what to think….

    I squeed at the Welshy. I’ll own up to that.

    • Jill Bearup

      Dude: you can like or hate something, and it’s OK. I LOVE The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit. I know people who haaaaate it. I love Age of Steel, ditto. Opinions, we have them. They differ and it’s cool.

      Real talk: I love series 2. I understand its faults: Rose is quite often jealous or irritating, some of the CGI is dodgy, the Doctor is very into Rose and that’s a Marmite situation.

      But I still love it. A lot. When I say objectively not very good, I don’t mean compared to other seasons of Doctor Who. I mean sometimes the writing is dodgy or they go over the top with things or whatever. But I don’t think it’s bad. Just a very love/hate thing. I happen to love.

      Most people love the Girl in the Fireplace.
      I like it except for ‘go pack a bag Reinette!’
      Aside from that it’s a fine episode.
      Tooth and Claw has martial artist monks in Scotland.
      That is awesome, but I refuse to believe that it’s not at least a bit dumb.
      I don’t really object to Fear Her. I object violently to some of Love and Monsters, but you will never convince me that LINDA were not awesome. I just didn’t want them killed off by the Blue Peter monster, ugh.

      And I will never, ever, give you crap for thinking any episode is good or bad. Even if I hold the opposite opinion.

      Because that would make me Welshy. :)

      • CaptainCalvinCat

        Muthsarah I watched all of the “Fear her” reviews from SFDebris and Diamanda Hagan, I watched the “Love and Monsters” reviews from Nash, SFDebris and I think Diamanda did one too – I can see, why it would rub people the wrong way, I just don’t give a crap.

        The same way I see River Song as a character, which is really quite awesome, the same way, I see BoP as not the sum of all crap, that Solkir wants it to be, the same way, I watch “the incredible Hulk” and think “Make it STOP!” – I don’t give a crap, what those critics say.

        And sometimes, that can really confuse me.

        Let me give you an example:

        Here is an english article about the Grimme-Preis:

        The Grimme-Preis (“Grimme Award”; up to 2010: Adolf-Grimme-Preis) is a television award and one of the most prestigious awards[citation needed] for German television. It is named after the first general director of Nordwestdeutscher Rundfunk, Adolf Grimme.[1] It has been referred to in Kino as the “German TV Oscar”.[2]

        The awards ceremony takes place annually at Theater Marl and is hosted by the Adolf-Grimme-Institut.
        Since 1964, it awards productions “that use the specific possibilities
        of the medium television in an extraordinary manner and at the same time
        can serve as examples regarding content and method”. The award was
        endowed by the German Community College association. One of the first award winners was Gerd Oelschlegel in 1964, for his TV movie Sonderurlaub (“Special Leave”), about a failed escape from the German Democratic Republic.[citation needed]

        You see, it is one of our most precious prices, one of the ones, that really matter.
        Lots of great people were nominated, some really, REALLY big names in our little country – maybe you know some names, like Mario Adorf, DIeter Hildebrandt, Götz George – just to name a few.
        What also got nominated: the german version of “I’m a celebrity, get me out of here.”
        I’m not shitting you – a show, in which c-list-celebrities eat cocroaches and other disgusting stuff, while two smug TV-Hosts say smug things about those celebrities was nominated for that price.

        What did I want to point out with that?
        There is no such thing as “objectivity” concerning everything, that bases around taste.
        And that’s why no show is “objectively good” – because it is not.
        for example: I love BoP, Solkir hates it. I love the show and am willing to cut it waaaay more slack – Solkir hates it and starts to bitch and moan about even minor nitpicky-things.

        On TGWTG the sentence was uttered: “Wobbly sets are wobbly, right?”
        Yes, and yet, I can like a show, taking place in wobbly sets. So “objectively”, the sets are wobbly, therefore the show must be bad, and yet: I love me some Star Trek TOS or some Space Patrol Orion.

        So – there is no objectivety.
        Another example: Couple of days ago, Solkir deemed Doctor Octopus in Spidermans Body as “objectively better” than the original.
        And while he brought forward some decent points, why Otto Octavius did a good job, I cannot help but think: “a) he got in this position via a very assholy-trick, b) what is his endgame in that? He’s Otto Octavius, he is not the hero of this story.”
        And yet I like BoP.
        So – am I a hipocrite? Is he one, because he is bitching and moaning about BoP and yet thinking that Otto is a superiour Spider-Man?
        Or is there nothing like “objectivety”, when it comes to something, that is solely working on the concept of subjetivety?

      • Muthsarah

        Ursa, CCCat:

        Oh, I’m not questioning whether or not the show should be seen as “objectively good”, and I certainly didn’t mean to imply you were being critical of any other viewer or anything (I was just being a lil’ theatrical back there, obsessive, over-analyzing).

        Doctor Who is just the weirdest damn show for me. I don’t think I can recall ever seeing something that veered so wildly between serious and campy and deep and childish and good effects and bad effects and commentary and parody and whatevers…yet could so consistently be this random that randomness is to be expected. Including that some episodes seem to be randomly popular and others hated. I’ve seen almost four series now, and I still feel like the show can’t easily be described, tone-wise, and every time I go back and watch another episode, I just end up more confused as to what the show itself is trying to be, when I’d expect it to be the exact opposite. The more I watch, the less I feel I understand about the show.

        Is it fair to hold “cheapness” against the show? What about illogic? Yeah, having kung-fu monks in Victorian Scotland (with no character commenting on how odd that might seem) is incredibly silly…but the show’s always got aliens popping out of the aether (with no one but maybe the Companion batting an eye)…so is the show aiming for that brand of chaos? And then when I hear Nash or Chuck or whoever tear an episode apart for being inconsistent or not making sense (or worse still, of missing the point/correct tone of the show), my typical reaction is “but…every episode is silly in almost that exact same way…isn’t it? Why is THIS episode being held to logic? And what IS the point of the show?”

        Eh, if I don’t have a grasp on this by now, it’ll prolly always be a mystery. I’ve had enough people try to explain it to me. Just the weirdest damn show. Always intriguing, but frustrating nonetheless. Which wouldn’t be an issue if I didn’t feel like I was missing something.

        • CaptainCalvinCat

          In my years of listening to or reading reviews, I noticed one thing: Don’t take that, what those guys say tooooo seriously.
          Perfect example: The reviews in your TV-Guides.
          More often than not, I just hate the jolly green giant that is “the incredible Hulk” and yet my TV-Guide’s recommending it.
          I liked the Stargate-SG-1-Pilotfilm and my TV-Guide said “Don’t bother, it is a shitty film.”
          They recommended a german comedy film, called “Beim nächsten Mann wird alles anders” (Better luck with your next man) and when we watched it, I almost fell asleep.
          My experience: If you are interested, watch the movie, but don’t bother, what other people said.

          And concerning Nash, Chuck or whomever tearing an episode apart: yeah – the fortunate thing about our good Chuck is, that you can have another opinion. He calls his guides “oppinionated”…

  • The Horror Guru

    David Tennant is my second favorite doctor next to Tom Baker, and honestly I don’t get many of the complaints people have towards his run. Especially the way it ended – I LOVE End of Time. I don’t even see the faults you mention in THIS video. Oh well.

    Though to be more positive, my absolute FAVORITE episodes of his run is the Impossible Planet and Satan Pit two-parter. That shit is golden. =)

    • You loved “End of Time”?
      Okay, so when the Doctor told all of us that Donna would die, and then she didn’t, what was the point of that?
      Why did the Doctor not use any of the 10,000 tricks he could have used to open the box at the end instead of dooming himself? The Funny Robot he got from Mars last episode would have worked fine.
      Was I supposed to be intimidated by the Master eating a chicken really fast? Was I supposed to find that silly? Cause it was stupid.
      And the Master’s cult kidnapping his wife, and the wife’s cult infiltrating his cult… Why any of this? They could have just had some human cultists bring him back, have the spell go bad because the TaRDiS was too close or something, and boom, skip a bunch of conspiracy plotlines that go nowhere.
      Why did they throw in those two rich people? Couldn’t they have just been part of the cult of the Master, and they had some gear for him to use. Instead they try to force him to do something, and their story goes nowhere… A lot of stuff just goes nowhere.

      • CaptainCalvinCat

        I loved “End of Time”, too.
        Why did the Doc say, that Donna would die? I guess, he believed that she would and to be honest: she spent most of the time passed out in some back-alley and that was just one microfraction of those memories coming back. Imagine, what would have happened, if she would have remembered the whole year, she spent with the Doctor.
        Why did the doctor not use the robot?
        Sometimes fiction has to take a backseat for the real world – David Tennant did not want to play the doctor anymore and that was the way, they killed him off. It is as simple as that.
        the master eating chicken really fast? Yeah, I don’t care.
        Most of the points you bring up – I see, that they are there and yet I think “Know what – man kann’s auch übertreiben.” (one can go overboard).

  • Moppet

    I like Rose. :o(

    I also like this view of the Tenth Doctor, all the things that are wrong with him, the mistakes he makes and issues surrounding never made me any less fond of this tragically Human rendition of the Doctor.

  • Moppet

    On another note, I really like the end of the Tenth Doctor. Not because it’s a positive but because I believe it. My Grandmother died over a decade ago. I still remember her last words. She wasn’t ready to go. She was mad, cancer was tearing her away from a life she didn’t feel was complete. The 10th Doctor’s ending scenes reminded me of her attitude and because it reminded me so clearly of the attitude of a person I love and miss so much? It felt real. 10’s death, the words he left us with, felt familiar and because they felt that particular brand of familiar they also felt real.

  • maarvarq

    My main problem with Who Ten was how big the slices of ham got towards the end. I imagine Brian Blessed advising him to dial it back a bit.

    I also thought that (in the previous season) the ending of Family of Blood was pretty much a declaration that Dr Who had lapsed into pure fantasy, the show having given up all claims on being regarded as science fiction.