RAW FEED: Art of Manliness and What is a Virtuous Woman?

This is me just starting a dialogue. Agree? Disagree? Let me know, unless you want to call me a cunt. Then don’t bother. Nobody cares. Check out The Art of Manliness here: http://www.artofmanliness.com/

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  • MichaelANovelli

    You don’t know how to sew? I’ve known how to sew since middle school…

    • Magdalen


      • MichaelANovelli

        Heck, I used to take a needle and thread on school trips with me, even to the State Capitol. This was before 9/11, you understand…

  • I remember being told when I was younger(early 70s) that boys have to earn the right to be called a man(legal age notwithstanding) while women become women the moment the law says so.
    Personally this idea seriously needs to be updated but personal observation suggests that this idea still lingers on even into this decade.

  • As for the so-called feminine skills, if you have finally moved out of your parents place, any guy or gal who hasn’t learnt how to cook or do their laundry for themselves is only doing themselves a dis-service.

    Cooking beyond toast, cup-noodles or TV dinners is a must if you want some decent nutrition while keeping under budget, laundry is just knowing how to keep the coloured and the whites seperate, loading the machine properly and using the right amount of detergent.

  • The underlining rule for the fashion/beauty industry centers around this simple premise: “If you can make your target demographic feel like shit, they will buy your shit.

  • CaptainCalvinCat

    Let’s make a deal here, Nycea.
    You do, what you want to do, learn, what you want to learn, think, what you want to think and by that become a person. Since you are female and not 12 anymore, you are automatically a woman.
    I do, what I wanto to do, learn, what I want to learn, think, what I want to think, and by that become a person. Since I am male and not 12 anymore, I am automatically a man.

    Sure, the points you brought up do help and they help become a much nicer, smarter, more intelligent person.

  • $36060516

    Very thoughtful video essay.

    I went to the Art of Manliness site and have to admit my initial reaction was disdain. I have an ambivalent relationship with my gender. I generally don’t like the typical young American man — if they gather in groups, I often try to walk on the other side of the sidewalk, because they will usually start throwing insults or make snickering sounds, if not outright threatening violence, to anyone who falls on the wrong side of the Lord of the Flies divide. About 75% of the music I listen to is sung by women, and I can usually only get into hard-edge aggressive music like punk or metal if the singer is a woman. I just find aggressive maleness unappealing most of the time. I do feel like I’ve needed help with some of the basics of caring for and presenting myself as a man, but I guess it says something about my gender ambivalence that a source of info on this I found more immediately appealing than that “Art of Manliness” site was the TV show “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.”

    All of the above explains why I chose Joan of Arc as my photo avatar for Disqus, pretty much.

    • Magdalen

      I would say that the hyper-aggressive young men you mentioned are exactly the reason websites like the Art of Manliness are a good thing. You seem to have a good grasp on who you are and gender ambivalence is a-okay. Those young boys, however, have a total lack of direction and structure. They want to be “Men” and they have no idea how. All they have to go on is the media and the comically over-exaggerated farce that it presents as manliness. They just know aggressive/stoic and not women- that’s it.

      Need for manhood + fear of femininity x no direction = douchebag teenage boys.

      AoM has of articles on why having deep emotional friendships with other men is important. How to be a good neighbor, how to apologize correctly, how to take responsibility for things. ALL major things those douchebag teens desperately need. Also, how to shave and stuff. But that’s just for fun.

      Also. JUST realized that’s Joan of Arc. Raaaad <3

      • $36060516

        Good points! I’ll give ’em another chance.

        I saw Carl Dreyer’s silent “Passion of Joan of Arc” when I was in my mid 20s and was blown away — the striking composition and juxtaposition of its shots seemed more advanced than contemporary movies to me, despite it being made before movies had sound.

  • quaz

    As a man, I’d like to say your simple and easy steps should apply to all homo sapiens across the board. Stepping up and admitting your flaws and mistakes and than trying to fix them the best you can should also be added to the list. It’s quite sad that to “be a man” there’s this idea that you never admit your flaws, in fact you should cover them up, or even lie about them, and in extreme cases just run away from the mistakes you made and forget about it…sad sad state of affairs in my book.