Shy Boys: IRL (2011), a haunting look at the Incel community

Being a feminist on the internet can be stressful. You catch a lot of flak, often from young men who don’t understand what feminism is or what feminists want. Some ask questions, others try to debate. But every once in a while, from a dark corner of the internet comes an Incel.

Incel stands for “involuntarily celibate”, and encompasses a relatively small community of men who consistently fail to create romantic attachments with women.

You can usually tell a person is part of the Incel community because they often refer to women as “females”. In addition to the oddly sterile language, Incels frequently write essay-length comments about the tyranny of women and how unfair the world is to treat them so callously. The group recently had the national spotlight shone on them due to the disturbing videos made by Elliot Rodger before going on a killing spree that ended seven people’s lives.

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Shy Boys: IRL is a short documentary by Sara Gardephe (available on Vimeo) about three Incels from a web forum meeting up for the first time. It’s a candid and sometimes difficult film to watch. It follows Michael and two other men who identify themselves only by their forum handles: “Advanced” and “Urban White Trash”.

This film made me feel conflicted. Not just because I’m painfully aware that it’s exactly these type of men who send me messages about why they think rape is a biological imperative for males who can’t find mates. It made me feel a lot of different emotions: pity, embarrassment, anger, disgust… that’s a lot of feelings for a 30-minute short. These three men all suffer from the same issue, but each deals with it in his own way.

The first, Michael, is the owner of the forum and the emotional anchor of the film. He’s the most accessible and sympathetic. Michael’s main issue is that he’s terribly shy. He considers himself ugly, although I know a few women who would disagree. He tells us he lost his virginity at 17 but has spent the last ten years alone. A decade of isolation has left him more than a little cynical, leaning toward suicidal at times. He talks casually about wishing he never existed, which I found legitimately sad. Overall, the film gives the viewer the sense that there’s little wrong with him outside of his shyness.

Shy Boys: IRL (2011), a haunting look at the Incel community

Michael’s main issue with dating is his refusal to even approach women. He assumes he’ll get rejected, and would rather not engage than try and fail. And while that attitude will set up anyone, hot or not, to fail, his view is perhaps the most understandable of the three.

The second person introduced calls himself “Advanced”. This is pretty accurate, as his Incel persona has progressed much further and is far more ingrained than with Michael. “Advanced” claims he’s struck out over 3,000 times… but later admits he was only approximating. It would be easy to disregard his problems as run-of-the-mill low self-esteem, but it appears to be so much more than that. “Advanced” hates himself to an extreme that borders on body dysmorphia. He’s disgusted by his own appearance which, as with Michael, is not nearly as bad as he thinks.

Shy Boys: IRL (2011), a haunting look at the Incel community

I’m not going to bore you with empty platitudes about how beauty is on the inside, blah blah blah. It’s always pretty people who tell you “you can’t judge a book by its cover,” and that’s easy for me to say, because I’m not ugly. When it comes to sex and relationships, your appearance matters. “Advanced” was unfortunately born at a disadvantage, and I won’t dismiss how frustrating that can be for someone. But alas, I would have felt more genuine pity for him had he never opened his mouth.

“My looks are the only reason that I’m single,” he says, then spends the rest of the documentary proving that statement dead wrong. “I aim as low as possible. I aim for obese women, ugly women, ideally ugly and obese. I aim for the bottom of the barrel…”

And then there’s this gem: “I look at ugly, fat chicks and see how easily they get men and, y’know, sometimes this makes me angry…” Yikes. When asked if he ever resents women, he says (and I’m not making this up), “Sometimes yes, because I see how easy they have it and how hard we have it in comparison.”

Well, that’s a… special sort of answer. It’s difficult to get upset, really. “Advanced” isn’t lying, and I don’t even think he’s deluding himself. He genuinely thinks this is the way the world works. Somewhat recently, the YouTube channel Simple Pickup put this very theory to the test. One video begins by stating that a recent study has shown that the number one fear for women when dating online is that they’ll meet a serial killer, while the number one fear for men is that the woman will be fat.

Here’s what happened when they had a good-looking guy set up dates online, and then show up to these dates wearing a fat suit.

And here’s what happened when the roles were reversed.

Forgive the tangent, but just so we’re clear… this whole theory that “ugly, fat chicks” have it easy is pure BS.

(I’d like to note, however, that while Simple Pickup made an interesting observation here, some of their videos demonstrate behaviors that I can attest are really fucking annoying, and make women very uncomfortable. So please, use common sense when judging the rest of their content. And please… don’t just walk up to strange women and talk at them about their bodies.)

The last person introduced is both the saddest and most infuriating: “Urban White Trash”. All three men are handling their loneliness in different ways, but his is the most self-destructive. At the time of filming, he had been totally indoctrinated into the Pick Up Artist factory farm of bullshit. Convinced the teachings of players before him will end his celibacy, “Urban White Trash” proves himself to be an absolutely amoral, maladapted fuck-up. On top of the irrational disgust he feels towards vaginas (and no, I’m not making that up either), he also berates the sound guy for being a “pretty boy” and a feminist. And here’s where things get very revealing.

Shy Boys: IRL (2011), a haunting look at the Incel community

The sound guy defends his feminist views by saying, “I agree that women are people.” And this is when “Advanced” pipes up: “No, see, that’s bullshit! And if you don’t realize that, then you’ve been brainwashed.”

Now we’re getting somewhere. It’s easy to just stamp good ol’ fashioned misogyny on his file and call it a day. But in reality, I think it goes deeper than that. These shy boys don’t just not understand women, they don’t understand people. A certain amount of this can be attributed to conditions like Asperger syndrome, but that in no way excuses these unhealthy thought patterns. Asperger’s makes you socially awkward; it doesn’t make you an asshole.

What these men share in common is they refuse to take responsibility for their situations. “Urban White Trash” blames the overly simplistic views of the PUA system for his celibacy. “Advanced” blames women for what he assumes are their too-high standards. Michael is by far the most aloof, but there’s definitely entitlement in his words. All three spend the majority of the film making excuses for themselves. It’s learned helplessness at its most obvious.

However, the film is also deeply humanizing. When the men aren’t posturing and complaining about how privileged women are, they’re sad, vulnerable, and more real than the personas they’ve put out online. It’s easier to see the circumstances that made them who they are and realize they weren’t created in a vacuum. I highly recommend watching Shy Boys: IRL.

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  • MichaelANovelli

    Huh. I’ve always used the term “females” because that’s how we were taught to speak in the Army. Now I see why my online friends look at me all weird when I do it. I learned something, today! ^_^

    • John Wilson

      I like to use both. Depending on if I feel like a scientist or not.

    • I imagine the army’s use of that was originally supposed to be derogatory when women first started gaining ground in the military, then it lost some of the negative sting, now it is just “how you talk”.

      • MichaelANovelli

        Well, one can’t really get mad at someone for using scientific terminology, I guess.

  • Wizkamridr

    I will never understand feminism, but I respect everyone’s viewpoint. It took me years to build confidence around the opposite sex.

  • Guest

    The reason GamerGate saddens me (besides the obvious) is that so many of these people are like parallel universe versions of myself who never aged emotionally beyond the age of 15. I was a socially awkward, maladjusted, aspergic teenager with severe problems talking to the opposite sex (this was before I realised how awesome the cock is), but while I’m still a neurotic mess in many ways I discovered a sense of perspective about the world.

    Partly it was realising that I’m gay, which immediately put me outside the creepy misogynistic parts of the internet that had been starting to seep into my brain coughRedditcough, partly it was discovering feminism through Linkara’s videos (I really need to thank that guy sometime). The problem with feeling shut out of the world is that you lose any sense of perspective outside of your own experience. The expression ‘you’re comparing your behind-the-scenes footage to everyone else’s highlights reel’ is never more appropriate.

    Seeing Elliot Rodger’s video was disturbing for me (as well as for the obvious reasons) because I can see how his mind worked, to an extent. When you’re withdrawn from society you consume a lot of media to pass the time and you start to believe the world is how the media depicts it. He kept talking about how college was a giant fuckfest that he wasn’t invited to and as a kid that was the image I got as well from movies and the like, but I came to see that it wasn’t true. He just collapsed into a black hole of bitterness and hatred that the world wasn’t what the TV told him. Obviously he was fucked up in a lot of other ways as well, but I can’t empathise with those.

    • John Wilson

      Both sides of gamergate has good and bad points. Its just that now, both sides are being fuel by a sense of vengeance. That how I see it. I see people being like “you don’t understand” to people who truly don’t understand. I say gamergate is just gossip. What not gossip however is metal heath. Every time someone calls someone something bad. That not helping anyone. There also lots of people that know better and do it for attention. But I feel like that also part of the mental health thing. Gamergate has gone on long enough, and both sides should just back off. The ones who know better first.

      Think of it like going to the mental health ward and making fun of people. It just doesn’t helo any one. What gamergate needs is Doctors and nurse, not piss and vemon. It also needs Jesus but that just my belief.

      Now, excuse me as I find some peaceful platformers to play. Peace.

      • TheRedWorm

        Gamergate was started because some jerk started spreading rumors of a sexual nature about his ex girlfriend on any forum that would host it. I’m really struggling to see what good points there are in that…

        • Immortan Scott

          Oddly enough (or maybe not), GamerGaters haven’t really touched on the controversy over YouTube reviewers being promised free copies of Shadows of Mordor. Instead, they’re more concerned that people who are using the #StopGamerGate hashtag might be involved with ISIS. Yes, really.

        • John Wilson

          I’m not going to try and argue about what really happen. To me, it involve sites I never really liked in the first place. What did happen was the anti gamer things many websites posted. They got involve in gossip, what they should have done is kept the’re mouths close and let everything ride. Making a few changes about how things are done

          But what they did was spit venom. That was the final straw and is why gamergate is lasting so long. I thought, at most, it was going to last a few weeks. But so much venom is being spit out that it poison everything. Now, I think its starting to cool off. But what it showed was what happens when you fight vengeance with vengeance. Sure Ganergate is not entirely innocent here either. But what the gaming websites did was insult a large group of mentally unstable people in public and called them names.

          How would you feel if some made fun of kids in a mental institution. Sure they might make fun of you and things. They can’t help it. But you can. Just remember that sometimes, you just got to let it go.

        • Emperor Max

          That’s completely false. Quinn’s ex NEVER started a “harassment campaign”. Her interactions with game journalists weren’t even the focus of his original post. Nor did he spread vicious rumors about her sex life. He documented her cheating, emotional abuse, and manipulation of him, and called her out for it. For example, when confronted about her lies, she threatened to commit suicide to gain his compliance. That is the behavior of a domestic abuser. No two ways about it. I’m honestly neutral when it comes to GamerGate, and I’ve been steering clear of discussion about it, but I will not stay quiet when an abuse victim is slandered for speaking out. Nor when said slander becomes a common talking point.

          Now, I don’t blame you for buying into that garbage. To be honest, it’s completely understandable why you’d believe it. I used to believe it myself. But then I did some research, and found out that it wasn’t true. Just to clarify, I’m not attacking you, I just want to set the record straight.

          • Emperor Max

            *Zoe Quinn, just so we’re clear.

  • Jonathan Campbell

    While this is an interesting film, I don’t think they are representative of anti-feminist / anti-woman internet trolls in general.

    From the stories I’ve read in the media about certain trolls being found out by their friends and family, or being approached by the police or even actually arrested, no they don’t have problems getting women. Many are actually in relationships, even if they (sometimes) keep their online behaviour from their girlfriends / wives.

    These guys (or at least, Advanced and Urban White Trash) sound more like the type of people who b*tch about women to each other more than they actually attack them online.

    • It is only 3 guys. You really can’t claim a strong sample of 3. You need 1500 with a barrage of questions for quantitative and qualitative analysis to yeild any sort of workable matrix. Maybe this film is not about the bigger picture, but about just these guys, because they are the ones who would willingly be on camera while being assholes.

  • Murry Chang

    I’m glad that there’s someone out there trying to humanize these guys. I’m a long time (mostly) volunteer celibate but I can absolutely see how easy it would be to fall into extreme cynicism towards and dehumanization of women. I can also see how it’s hard for women to see this kind of guy as anything but a horrible person, even though the guys are human beings too.

    Fortunately all of my closest friends are women, so it’s super hard to objectify them…not everyone has that advantage though:)

    • FullofQuestions1

      I’m a woman (obviously), but I’m queer, so I have been in the position of trying to ask women out, and I know it becomes easy to start blaming women once you get frustrated (I always had the luxury of remembering how there are few lesbian and bisexual women than straight women), but I think the best thing you can do in that situation is put yourself in the other person’s shoes. Think about what you’d want someone to tell you if they asked you out. Don’t assume they’re desperate for a partner just because you perceive them to be ugly (GAH, that guy).

      Also, remember, this may just be a phase in your life. I was single and thought I was ugly through most of high school. Once I got out, started dressing better (you can even see this in my earliest videos), and stopped thinking of myself as a lost cause, life got so much easier.

      • Murry Chang

        Oh yeah that’s certainly true, but as you can see from my reply to Joel Kazoo, I’m very cynical about relationships…especially because most of the women I’ve dated were legit crazy.

        Nope, not a phase. I’m in my mid 30’s, I’ve been living this way for over 10 years now and I’m perfectly happy with it. There are just so many things in life that are better and more fun than sex/a relationship that it’s not worth my effort. I’d rather hang out with friends, go see a concert or read a good book. It’s honestly not worth my time and effort.

        I just wanted to say that I can emphasize with these guys and I’m glad that someone is humanizing them. A lot of people, especially on the internet, seem to think these are people that woke up one morning and decided “I hate women and I’m going to degrade them any time I can.” without understanding that there’s a reason that they think and act this way. These are people too; by degrading them as MRA assholes they become ‘The Other’ and are then fine to treat as if they’re inhuman. That’s just as wrong as what the guys themselves do and doesn’t end up helping anyone.

        • FullofQuestions1

          Oh man, I wasn’t referring to your situation! I’m so sorry it came off that way!

          • Murry Chang

            No that’s fine, I like to get this out there to show that there are nice guys out there that don’t want relationships or to get in your(metaphorical your) pants, we are just generally nice.

  • Joel Kazoo

    The big thing is, if you really want things to change in your life, you have to work to make those things happen. You can’t just flip a switch and go “Ta-da! I’m no longer a shy misogynist!” It takes practice and effort, and a sense of self-worth that must be built. It’ll be slow. It’ll sometimes be painful and even a bit scary. There will be rejection. There will be setbacks. But you have to make the effort. Professional help is an option, which I realize may be financially infeasible for some, but there are ways to get it. And when you look back upon the time you put forth said effort, you will realize not only was it worth it, there is so much further to go, but dammit, you made it this far, and you can make it further!

    Okay, I’m done Tony-Robbins-ing out.

    But I think the main thing I can say with certainty is “You don’t have to like the work, but the results will be worth it”.

    Great article, Nyce!

    • Murry Chang

      Honestly, from what I see of all the healthy, long term relationships around me, the results are decidedly mediocre, at best. That’s talking from my parents, who have been together almost 40 years, to friends that I’ve preformed wedding ceremonies for. Healthy relationships but not something I would want to engage in at all.

      Some of us are just weird and, in general, society isn’t comfortable with that. That can lead to cases like these guys; they have no idea how to behave and they don’t understand that, even if they feel these things they’re expressing in the film, they have to hide them because of social mores.

    • But.. I thought you just had to “be yourself?”

  • CDF-CRO

    Huh the Incel movement, I kind of wrote them off as self pitying wound lickers and well…Advanced looks to be the most consumed by self pity and self loathing. See a shrink or something man…wearing a badge calling yourself an incel makes it worse.

    But they’re human I suppose, I don’t think the Incel movement accomplishes anything but lets people feel sorry for themselves.

    I’ve known plenty of fellows who are less better looking than these boys (okay some are pretty ugly but I don’t want to be unkind) and yet managed to do pretty well in dating and marriage by sheer force of personality.

    • Cristiona

      You suppose?

      If they aren’t human, what are they?

      • CDF-CRO

        Well internet forum user personas tend to dehumanize people. As committing yourself to a certain philosophy can leech away compassion or help lock yourself away in your own little world.

        Getting outside of yourself or throwing out self limiting beliefs isn’t something the Incel Movement has accomplished.

        I mean look at Urban White Trash, the PUA philosophy hasn’t done him a hell of a lot of good.

  • Faulkner

    Honestly, I’m surprised Mr. Mendo even let you publish this. After the whole Gamergate fiasco, I’d expect him to know that publishing articles insulting and degrading your readers is generally a bad strategy on part of gaming and geek culture-centric websites.

    • MichaelANovelli

      This isn’t my site, guy. I’m just the face. ^_^ Though, I think the view-count might disagree with you…

      • Faulkner

        I’m sure all the “Gamers are Dead” articles generated a lot of initial buzz when they were first published as well. What I’m not so sure is if the few extra bucks they got from advertising was worth all the headaches they’re going through now.

  • Faulkner

    Look, I’m not even gonna bother debunking this bullshit article, I’m just gonna say what I’ve always said and move along. This isn’t a matter of entitlement, nor was it ever. Feminists need to get it through their thick skulls that men need sex, and without it, our minds start deteriorating. Feminism’s reorganization of society has left a large part of the male population (and they are a large part, otherwise you wouldn’t be hearing about them) unable to find willing sex partners. This is a problem, and since feminism is now the prevailing ideology, they must find a way to fix it. Otherwise, stuff like the Santa Barbara shooting will keep happening.

    It’s as simple as that really, you created this problem, now you must find a solution for it. You can kill us, give us the sex we need, or anything else, but you need to do something. Men don’t simply “suffer quietly”, it’s against our nature, and no amount of lecturing about “entitlement” can change that. If we feel we’ve been wronged somehow, we’ll react, some of us by lashing out on the Internet, others by lashing out in RL. The point is simply ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away isn’t an option.

    • Jonathan Campbell

      Before anyone else even thinks of replying to this I have an important message:

      PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MAN EVER AGAIN.

      IF YOU IGNORE HIM LONG ENOUGH EVENTUALLY HE WILL GO AWAY.

      • Faulkner

        Hail, sir knight. Pray tell, how fare thee in thy quest for Internet girl pussy?

      • Jonathan Campbell

        I see everyone listened to my advice then.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_mrNQBLSMU

        • CaptainCalvinCat

          Well, feeding that sorry excuse for a troll is fun. ^^

          • Magdalen

            He’s not going to let up, Captain. He’s got literally nothing better to do. This is his life.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            The sad thing is, he doesn’t notice, how painfully embarassing his way of argumentation is.

        • Faulkner

          Nobody listens to you IRL. Why would they do it here, virgin boy?

        • mamba

          Yeah, I know, you’re right of course, but it’s like eating Poutine, you know it’s wrong and harmful, but sometimes it’s too tempting to resist for a while. Then you get sick in the stomach and stop for a while, living with regret.

          • Magdalen

            Poutine is God. Poutine is life.

          • MichaelANovelli

            Fries and gravy 4 life!

    • Magdalen

      • Faulkner

        Wasn’t really a yes or no question. Hell, it wasn’t even a question.

        • CaptainCalvinCat

          No, it was bullshit, not even remotely FOUNDED on facts. Hell, the crap you wrote is something, even the most conservative “man magazine” – that, which is showing us Lucy (23) showing us her tits, while repairing a car, that kinda crap – would be looking at and saying “Erm…. noooo, too stupid.”

          Men need sex to survive. Sure – if we would be living on planet vulcan.
          Last time I checked, my ears were not pointy, we had a moon and our planet was not a desert. So – no, Men don’t need sex to survive.
          YOU need a reason to write that bullshit, that you write.

    • mamba

      Ummm, men don’t need sex like food, ask any monk! Man LIKE sex, and may have a higher drive for it, but we don’t wake up, grab our junk and mutter “pussy-pussy-pussy” all day while seeking out the nearest one ya know. If someone IS like that, seek them help, they’re OCD.

      It’s not up to women to get men laid for the safety of society! It’s up to MEN to give the WOMEN a REASON for mutual attraction. Remember women are JUST as sexually driven as men and somehow they seem to manage to function in their presence, and simple math shows that everyone has SOMEONE who’d be willing to have sex with them if they are decent. (and even if not unfortunately) so no excuses. If every women someone meets is instantly repulsed and doesn’t want to have sex with them, odds are it’s not the WOMEN who have the issue, ya know? Maybe you’re attracted to the wrong type of woman?

      So no, women didn’t create the problem, because there is no “problem”. Despite biology, people need to understand that NO ONE IS OBLIGATED TO SLEEP WITH ANYONE ELSE FOR ANY REASON. Such a simple statement and obvious you’d think…but think of it, as long as you treat women as people and don’t run into the obvious shallow wingnuts, hormones tip the scales in your favour.

      But the SECOND you treat her body as YOURS to demand as opposed to HERS to offer, you’ll never get it. and that’s the problem with the mens movement…they’re being denied THEIR sex. Sorry, nobody informed the women than she HAD to sleep with you, so no contract broken dude.

      • Please read the first comment replying to his.

      • Faulkner

        Yeah, because men taking vows of chastity always works wonders, right? Just ask the Catholic Church.

        Women are just as sexually driven as men are? Lol. The reason why women have such a tremendous advantage in the sexual market is exactly because of their much lower sex drive. Men desire high quantities of sex with different women, it’s part of our biological imperative. This allows low-quality females to play out of their league, so to speak, and get it on with men they normally wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell with.

        The problem is this leaves low-quality males with pretty much nothing. What I really find rather amusing is that, ultimately, those women get screwed over as well. Because, you know, I actually agree with the author of this article to some extent. While any woman can get laid virtually anytime she wants, with whoever she wants, whenever she wants, this doesn’t mean they have it easier in the dating world than men, precisely BECAUSE women don’t care about sex. They don’t. Women don’t want sex, they don’t measure their worth through their sexual conquests. What women want is long-term, high-commitment relationships with high-quality men.

        Unfortunately for them, the relationship market isn’t as lopsided as the sexual market, and the only women who can get long-term relationships and secure commitment from high-quality males… are high-quality females. Say what you want about PUA, but at least it helps men put things in perspective and learn about the opposite sex.

        Young women don’t even bother trying to understand men anymore because they know they can just give them sex and they’ll do virtually anything they want. But then their looks and youth fade away, and they’re left with nothing. But anyway, nevermind. I have little compassion for dumb women who make bad choices and end up in bad situations because of them, even though they were given every possible opportunity. They can go “suffer quietly”, like most women did for centuries, for all I care. My concern is for the growing number of young men who’ve been unfairly denied their base needs simply because they weren’t born able to measure up to the modern woman’s ridiculously high-standards.

        • mamba

          I don’t know why I’m bothering to feed the troll here, but this makes ME feel better to type this, but don’t expect too many more replies, I’m just bored, not enraged, ok? Good. Now, I’ll make this easy by using small sentences for your small brain.

          The Catholic church rapes children, not women (usually), so totally different topic.

          Women ARE as horny as men, and any visit to a MALE STRIPPER bar will prove this to you easily. Or notice that the vast majority of sex toys are for WOMEN. If they could just “go get laid anytime”, then why the toys? If they don’t have the desire for sex, why the toys? Think with the upper head for a change.

          Everyone can sleep with anyone out of their league if they treat them right. and again, “this leave low-quality men with nothing”. Um…yeah. If the guy’s a sexist asshole who believes women OWE him sex, then he is a low quality man and doesn’t deserve it. On that we agree apparently. 🙂

          “Women don’t want sex?” HAHAHAHAAAA. So women have no hormones, and all those moans and thrashing about and smiles of excitement and strip bars are just them faking it? Goddess you are stupid!

          You see the whole thing as a “market” literally, don’t you? You seem to treat women like a store that refused to serve you…but women don’t HAVE to. There are over 6 BILLION people on the planet, and about half of them are women. I’m pretty sure their “impossibly high standards” are just basic decency oftentimes, or you’re simply talking to the wrong woman. And yes, sometimes you’ll have to “self serve” at a store too if the owner’s busy with another more polite reasonable customer. You’re capable of understanding analogies, right? 😉

          Grow up and take some responsibility for your situation. Sometimes people don’t get to have sex for a long time. That’s life. when you start blaming an entire gender over it though, that’s stupid and self-fulfilling. But you really don’t see that, don’t you? The more you hate on women, the more they will not want anything to do with you sexually, causing a cycle. You’re not mad at women, you’re jealous at other men that are treating and thinking about women RIGHT and reaping the results.

          You want to get laid? Give the woman a reason other than “YOU HAVE TO DAMMIT” and you might get somewhere. Otherwise fulfill your “basic biological needs” with your hand or a toy and move on.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Of course that’s stupid. It’s Faulkner, what do you expect?

          • mamba

            Exactly what I got, he’s consistent for a laugh at his stupidity if nothing else.

            BTW, am I the only one who’s really enjoying the fact he’s not getting laid by now, or am I just cruel to idiots? 🙂

            Oh, and Faulknuts? Not bothering to re-dissect your stupidity in GREAT detail because it’s not worth it (bored, remember? You’re never gonna change by anything I write, this is for me…), but thought I’d point out that you’re responding to things I never even said now so you apparently ran out of points (“want a nice guy who appreciates me as I am” when did I even hint to that? I’m just talking basic decency to another human being, not blind acceptance of anything!”). Also related to that, if you reverse the genders the same is also true so point irrelevant. (to prove me wrong, simply sleep with a 60 year old with no teeth, no legs, and multiple scars. According to YOU, your sex drive would have you naked on her in a heartbeat whether you wanted to or not. You actually believe this, or do you just assume ALL women are “valley girl shallow”?)

            As for the church priests going to little boys because women aren’t available??? That’s so ball-shattering stupid on SOOO many levels there’s nowhere to begin, so I’ll just assume you don’t believe it yourself. Probably giving you too much credit there, but when you’re saying a male child’s penis is the same thing as an adult woman’s entire body just because you’re not getting laid, you no longer can speak on the subject, or you’re TOO familiar with the subject. PLEASE DON’T tell me which option it is, I’d rather not know.

          • Faulkner

            You’re a white knight? Geez, why didn’t you tell me? Seriously, I don’t like to raise arms against my fellow men, we’re on the same boat you and I. You’re just as much a victim of this as I am, even you are a might stupider than I am.

            I know you’re only doing this because you think it’ll get you somewhere with these, and normally I’d tell you to snap out of it and follow it up with something witty like “cars will run on unicorn piss before any of these women lets you within for 4 feet of their vaginas”, but I know that would only make you angrier. Sorry, I can’t help you. All I can do is say goodbye and die well, young virgin.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Says the guy, who needed to buy the services of a prostitute to have the first time.

          • Faulkner

            The facts still remain: I got laid, you didn’t. Doesn’t that tell you something?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Says the guy, who is making up bullshit arguments. Doesn’t that tell you something?

            Plus: Yes, that tells me that I’m not running around like an idiot, wanting to bang random girls, because “my mind would be detereoating, if I don’t.”

          • Faulkner

            Oh, thou art verily amusing, sir knight. Now be off.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Oh, but Monsieur Black Knight Faulkner – after you.

          • Faulkner

            You know what really tells me something? The fact you couldn’t even summon up the nerve to lie and say you did get laid. I may be a low-quality man, but by virtue of simply having gotten laid, I’m still your better, and you can’t even muster the courage to lie to me.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Since when would it be couragous to lie?
            You, Sir, are a low -quality man, not because you got laid or something, you’re low quality man, because you are an annoying little simpleton.

          • Faulkner

            Away with you, virgin. Go sulk in the corner.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Faulk off. ^^

          • Faulkner

            Oh, I will get fucked, rest assured. That’s more than can be said for you though.

          • Guest

            Yeah, when you pay a woman enough to touch you. ^^
            Have a nice wednesday.

          • Faulkner

            Whaddya know? I say be off, and off the virgin goes. Oh, the power… it’s intoxicating. 🙂

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            You’re intoxicated, there is a difference.

          • Faulkner

            With power. And in a couple days… with pussy. 😉

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            No, with alcohol and delusions. ^^

            But let me put it this way: If that, what you would be saying, would be true, that “if men are not having sex, their brains detereorate” – then you’d be a prime example.

          • Faulkner

            I don’t drink, and the pussy felt pretty real last time… of course, you wouldn’t know anything about that. After all, you didn’t have a “last time”, did you, virgin boy? 😉

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            You don’t drink. Mhm…. sure. And the pussy that you bought, you mean? Or do you call your dog pussy?

          • Faulkner

            Yes, that’s the one I mean. And really, virgin boy? You can’t tell a pussy from a dog? You know, scratch that, I’m not that surprised actually.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Ah right, you don’t get sarcasm…. By the way,, you’re starting to get sloppy with your name calling.

          • Faulkner

            Name-calling? When did I call anyone names? I called you “virgin boy” but that is what you are, isn’t it, virgin boy?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            I think, your imaginary girlfriend should give you a dictionary for christmas.

          • Faulkner

            Goddamn, virgin boy. Don’t you get it? I don’t NEED an imaginary girlfriend, I’m getting laid already. Imaginary girlfriends are for lower-status men, namely you.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Oh, that really hit you, didn’t it?
            You’re having – what, an affair with your right hand? A little tête-à-tête with your imaginary girl?

          • Faulkner

            Bitch, what did I just say?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            You just showed, that this hit you. Have fun, you and your imaginary girlfriend or your bought pussy.

          • Faulkner

            *Yawn* Yes, yes, yes. Now off with you, lowly virgin.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Oh, and greets to your imaginary lady. ^^

          • Faulkner

            Back to the corner you go.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            With your imaginary lady.

          • Faulkner

            No, virgin boy. Back to the corner you go, with YOUR imaginary lady. 😉

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            that’s what your imaginary lady said. ^^

          • Faulkner

            That… doesn’t even make sense. I think you broke, virgin.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            That’s what your imaginary lady said to you. ^^

            And now let’s stop this – we both can be pretty childish and immature, we’ve proven that, let’s agree to disagree, you believe that you go mad without sex, I think, that we can survive without it, let’s split here.

          • Faulkner

            Can somebody come and fix the broken virgin, please?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Why, what happened to you?

            Or did you break your imaginary girlfriend?

          • Faulkner

            Oh, man. This is bad. Lack of sex has driven the little virgin so far over the edge, he’s begun to speak gibberish.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            And the prospect of getting sex for the first time in a millenium lets Faulkner loose the ability to understand simple english words formed to a sentence. I pity the fool.

            And I pity the girl, who was naive enough to think, that Faulkner would be worth time spending with him.

          • Faulkner

            U mad, virgin boy? Still white-knighting around the web, hoping one of these feminazis takes pity on you and fucks your worthless hide? There’s no such thing as a pity fuck, you know?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            God are you sucking at argumentation.

          • Faulkner

            At least I’m not failing at grammar. That’s seriously one of the worst-constructed comebacks I’ve ever heard.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            You know, IF – and I stress the IF here – you really have a girlfriend, I hope, you’re a great actor in your private life, because what you’re showing here…. you’re one ugly son of a bitch – and with that, I mean that your character is ugly.

            The science, you bring up, is unsound, your worldview sprung out of the 18th century, the “points” you want to bring up in a debate are worthless – and quite frankly, the style of debate reminds me of a 3 year old in the kindergarten.

            So, be a good, little baby, crawl back where you came from, stay there and don’t annoy the rest of us with your miserable presence. Thank you.

            And by the way – unlike you, who is claiming, that he needs to have sex or else he’ll go crazy, I can live just fine without it. I don’t go hunting for little boys, as you say, people, who don’t get pussy, would be doing, I don’t run around banging the next best girl – might be that I’m a “virgin-boy”, but better being a “virgin-boy” than being that sorry excuse for a MRA-troll, that you are.

            And before you say, that you don’t understand what I’m writing, let me bring this down, so that even you can understand it:
            If you really think, that men need sex in order to not go crazy – I really, really pity you.

            Better constructed?

          • Faulkner

            What? I never said I had a girlfriend. You’re delusional, virgin boy. And how am I the one in kindergarten when you’re the one crying like a little bitch? 😉

            Also are you trying to give your better orders? Hahaha, very amusing, virgin boy. xD

            You pity me? I wish I could say the feeling is mutual, but honestly I can’t. You may be as much victim of this as I am, but I just can’t empathize with stupid people. You refuse to see what’s right in front of your eyes, you go around white-knighting for these harpies even though they have nothing but contempt for you, and you don’t even have the balls to be honest with yourself and admit how much lack of sex really bothers you. And it does bother you, otherwise you wouldn’t have spent all this time arguing with me. Nor would you feel the need to keep saying it doesn’t bother you over and over and over again.

            Honestly, even I’m beginning to understand why women give you no attention at all. You’re the most simpering, pathetic excuse for a male I’ve seen in a long time. Why would any woman want to breed with you?

          • Jonathan Campbell

            Have you ever heard of projection?

          • Faulkner

            How am I projecting? Did I ever pretend that lack of sex didn’t bothr me? Next time you want to use a ‘canned’ comeback like that, make sure it least makes sense.

          • Jonathan Campbell

            Precisely.

            Lack of sex bothers you, so you assume that it bothers everyone as much as you, and that everyone thinks the way you do.

            You like to imagine that we are all as angry and frustrated as you are and about the same things and at the same people because it makes you feel less bad about the way you are feeling, if you aren’t so alone. And when you see that the rest of us aren’t, you project all that stuff onto us.

            Because the way you deal with your issues is to pretend that you have some sort of insight that the rest of us lack. It makes you feel like the only reason you are so bothered by this and other men aren’t is because you are smarter or more honest than the rest of us.

            And that is projection, because If you are projecting your insecurities onto the rest of us, then we’re the ones with that problem and not you.

            And the problem isn’t lack of sex.

          • Faulkner

            I know you are frustrated, and I know I’m not alone. If someone really isn’t bothered by something, they don’t feel the need to keep stating over and over again they’re not bothered. They just don’t mention it.

            Saying sexual deprivation doesn’t bother you won’t fool anyone. Not me, not the people who might happen to stumble onto this article, not the harpies you white-knight for… not even yourself.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Yes, yes you are alone. You need to pay for sex – that makes you very lonely, whoremonger.

          • Faulkner

            You know, in a way, you’re right, I am alone; I’m the only one of the three of us who’s had sex. Isn’t that right, virgin boy?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            With a whore, whore monger.

          • Faulkner

            All that matters is that I did it, and you didn’t, virgin boy.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Well, if that is all, that is mattering to you, then by all means – continue being a misogynist dickbag.

          • Faulkner

            I will, and I’ll keep getting laid, and because of that my status as a male will keep rising, while you remain the lowest of the low.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Of course, because you are so super-awesome, that YOU HAVE TO PAY A WOMAN TO TOUCH YOU.

          • Faulkner

            I got a woman to touch me willingly, that’s all that matters. And that’s more than you can say.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            and how much did you pay her?

          • Jonathan Campbell

            Its quite clear to me that you are doing this for attention.

            To compensate for your low self-esteem.

          • Faulkner

            Lol. What are you talking about, virgin boy? You’re the ones who replied to me.

          • Jonathan Campbell

            And you keep posting here because you know people will.

            Its not helping anyone really. Its just encouraging you to keep acting the way you do.

          • Faulkner

            I keep replying to you because you keep replying. What? Am I expected to back down to my lessers?

          • Jonathan Campbell

            We are not your lessers. You have constructed an image of superiority for yourself to compensate for your loneliness and low self-esteem. And you probably know that even if you don’t want to admit it.

            Getting into fights on the Internet and trolling people makes you feel better about yourself and gives you an ego boost, for a short while at least. And it becomes a bad habit. The only reason you “believe” all this sexist stuff you spout is because you want to because it makes you feel justified and superior, which makes your beliefs self-serving and shallow and not real beliefs at all.

            Nobody should be replying to you, because its not doing you or them any favours. The only reason I’m replying to you is to point out the folly of replying to you, and because I’m saying things that need to be said.

            Of course, my other theory is that you are Nycea in disguise since all you end up doing is driving up her comment posts and making her articles more popular, but in either case- stop it.

            Everyone should just stop it.

            I’ll set the example- I’ll stop talking to you now.

          • Faulkner

            Yes, you are my lessers. You are my lessers in terms of sexual conquest, which is an important measure to determine a man’s status. And you are my mental and psychological lessers. I am your better in pretty much every coneceivable way, virgin boy. Now crawl off back to the hole where you belong.

          • mamba

            Dude, you said that lack of sex is physically harmful both physically and mentally, and is as much a biological need for survival as food and air.

            The only way this new statement makes any sense is if you’re admitting you’re not bothered by your brain damage. Actually come to think of it…:)

          • Faulkner

            But I’m having sex, remember, virgin boy? You’re the ones who aren’t. Which, yeah, come to think of it… 🙂

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            You can blabber about having sex all the way you want – however, if someone is SO keen of pointing out that he is having sex, I can’t help but think about the old statement “He, who is constantly talking about sex, is not really having it.”

          • Faulkner

            This is an article about sexuality and involuntary celibacy, what do you want me to talk about? Also, I don’t care if you believe me or not, you’re a virgin by your own admittion, that means you’re my lesser as a man. What you think doesn’t matter.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Ah, now you’re saying, that you don’t have a girlfriend? Make up your mind.

            Just a few quotes from you:
            “Oh, I will get fucked, rest assured. That’s more than can be said for you though.”
            “I don’t drink, and the pussy felt pretty real last time… of course, you wouldn’t know anything about that. After all, you didn’t have a “last time”, did you, virgin boy? ;)”
            “Goddamn, virgin boy. Don’t you get it? I don’t NEED an imaginary girlfriend, I’m getting laid already. Imaginary girlfriends are for lower-status men, namely you.”

            So, either you are now completely contradicting yourself, OR you’re saying that you think, that your life is good, because you need to have to pay to get at least a bit of attention.

            Sorry, THAT is now really pathetic.
            “Hey, I pay a whore every time, I’m awesome”.
            LOL

          • Faulkner

            Yes, I did that say. But that doesn’t necessarily translate into “I have a girlfriend”. Use your imagination, virgin boy.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Well, that was the most flattering I could think about you – that you have a girlfriend. Now, since you don’t, you’re one of those pathetic simpletons, who are going in the bordellos to have sex.

          • Faulkner

            You don’t even have the balls to go to a bordello, do you, virgin boy?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            What does it have to do with having balls to go somewhere and buy sexual favours for money? That’s a) damn pathetic and b) downright misogynistic.

          • Faulkner

            The only pathetic thing here is you and your virginity, virgin boy.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            And why would my virginity be something, that is causing you to go apeshit crazy?

          • Faulkner

            Oh, no, no, no, you misunderstand. Your virginity is causing YOU to go apeshit crazy, not me. But because you are a virgin and I am not, I am higher status than you as a man, and therefore have the right to talk down to you.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            You’re really amusing. Do you actually believe that bullshit, that you’re saying?

          • Faulkner

            I don’t believe, I know it to be true, just like you do.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Erm…. no, I don’t know that that’d be true. I know, that it is complete and utter madness speaking out of you. Ohh, you have Sex now, aren’t you a goood little 16-year old?

          • Faulkner

            If I’m just a madman, why spend so much time arguing with me? Because you know what I say is true? Or do you just enjoy the attention of your betters?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Because feeding the stupid troll is fun. ^^

          • Faulkner

            You don’t sound very amused, virgin boy. You sound more irate than anything. 🙂

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Oh believe me, you’re funny, in especially since you seem to believe that stupid bullcrap, that you’re saying.

          • Faulkner

            Well, like I said, you really don’t sound very amused. And I don’t think you are. I’ll give you this though, your capacity for denial would give Hugo Schwyzer a run for his money.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            ” Well, like I said, you really don’t sound very amused. And I don’t you
            are. I’ll give you this though, your capacity for denial would give Hugo
            Schwyzer a run for his money.”

            You don’t I am? So much for “failing at grammar”.

          • Faulkner

            Oops, forgot to put “think” in there. Sometimes my mind’s faster than my fingers. But see, because I’ve already gotten laid and am of superior status to you, I can admit my fuck-ups without shame. Do you understand, virgin boy?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Which mind?

          • Faulkner

            The mind of the only guy here who’s gotten laid. 😉

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            OH! You mean that mind, that you lost and that got replaced through a monothematic, monofunctioning brain – I get it.

          • Faulkner

            No, no, no. That’s YOUR mind, virgin boy. 😉

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Oh my brain is working relatively good, thanks for asking. You on the other hand…. if I’d be a not so nice person, I’d ask, if there would be something in your head that is even slightly looking like a brain.

          • Faulkner

            You’re sexually deprived, so obviously not. Also I didn’t ask. Don’t take this wrong way but I don’t particularly care about my lessers’ affairs.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            We don’t particularly care about your affairs and you feel the need to open your gob, whenever something concerning feminism is published here.

          • Faulkner

            Yes, you do care. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have replied to me, would you, lesser one?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Like I said, I m just curious, how pathetic you can get.

          • Faulkner

            Before your said it was because it was fun, now you’re curious? I think the lack of sex is messing with your mind, virgin boy.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Oh whoremonger, you should not try to interpret what other people say – you’ll lose.

          • Faulkner

            Hahaha! Silly virgin boy. I’ve been laid before, remember? I’m your better. I can’t lose to you. xD

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            At least, that’s what you want us to tell.
            And since you were so quick pointing out, that I wasn’t having the nerve to lie to you – which, in all honesty is something I see as extremely stupid, lying to a random dickbag on the internet – I think, that you’re making all your sexual conquests up, just to see yourself in your strange worldview as superiour.

            But – that kind of behaviour causes me, resident of the REAL world, to see you inferior to me, because I don’t feel bad about me and you are SO obviously filled with self-doubts and low self-esteem. Little hint: You should seek out professional help – not in that department down there, but up in your head.

          • Faulkner

            Silly virgin boy, don’t you understand? I DON’T CARE what you think. Why should I? You’re my lesser, you’re barely even a man, barely even a human being, as far as I’m concerned.

            Contrary to what mommy would have you believe, human beings are also measured in terms of their value. And sexual conquest is one of the aspects by which men are measured. You’re the lowest of the low. And even if you didn’t care about that, which you do, otherwise you wouldn’t be here anymore, you’d still be the lowest of the low.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            And yet you answer, mommas boy.

          • Faulkner

            Momma’s boy? I’m not the one who still thinks that if he just acts really, really nice, girls will come flocking to him. Maybe you also think that if you wish it really, really hard you can bring the dead back to life, huh, virgin boy?

          • somerandomcommenter

            Maybe…maybe you don’t understand how other people see you? I’ll just…I’ll just leave this here.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSaeKI8IXGU

          • Faulkner

            Did I say anything that wasn’t true? Does society not determine a man’s value, at least in part, by his sexual conquests? To me it’s seems pretty obvious it does.

          • somerandomcommenter

            Are you talking to me? Like…are you actually addressing me?

            Because I keep coming back to this thread for the entertainment value. I sure as hell don’t come for the scintillating social commentary you provide.

            Please respond to this. Now use your sarcasm detector to see if I was being serious or not.

          • Faulkner

            What makes you think I care whether or not you want me to respond?

          • somerandomcommenter

            Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

            Shall I elucidate on the difference between you and me? You think everyone cares what you have to say, whereas I know nobody cares about what I say. So…yeah.

          • Faulkner

            Judging from the amount of replies I’ve gotten, it seems pretty obvious to me that at least some people care about what I have say.

          • somerandomcommenter

            Look, what I’m getting at is that nobody cares about your problems or my
            problems. No one is going to come by with a magical wand and solve all
            your problems for you. That’s something you’re going to have to do for
            yourself. There are steps you can take, right now, to make your situation better.

            Start with basic human contact. Do you like animals? Volunteer at an animal shelter. Women love men who like animals. Or maybe you should volunteer at a soup kitchen, get in touch with people whose problems are a thousand times worse then your own. Get a little perspective. You probably think you’re a pretty smart person, so why not tutor some underprivileged children?

            Once you start taking action, you’ll find that you’re no longer the victim in your life. You’ll find that you don’t need to blame people for circumstances that are out of yours or anybody else’s control. And I guarantee you’ll be a lot happier.

          • Faulkner

            I don’t like animals or children. And as long as I’m not pleased with my own life, I have neither the time nor the will to help other people with their problems.

            You want to know why I get so many replies? Because everything I say, every last word of it, is true, and everyone knows it. It may morally (read: socially) repulsive, but it’s still the truth. And no one can ever be indifferent to the truth.

          • MichaelANovelli

            Fun’s fun, but in all seriousness, nobody here believes anything you say is anything other than a cry for help. I know you think this is a serious forum for you to nail your 92 theses to the church door, but to us you’re just an insane homeless person ranting about how the guv’mint stole your penis. Sure, we’re bad people for thinking your illness is so damn funny, but nobody is forcing you to stick around, kid…

          • Faulkner

            That’s where you are wrong, I don’t consider myself some kind of great visionary. What I’m saying, everybody already knows. Overall, people are selfish, shallow and petty creatures, and honestly, I don’t even hate them for it. It’s just the way they are, and the way I am too. The only difference between me and most other people is that I no longer bother pretending I’m better than I really am.

          • MichaelANovelli

            Wow. That had absolutely nothing to do with anything I said. Kudos, young sirrah.

          • somerandomcommenter

            My last comment. Promise.

            You’re getting so many replies because you’re offending people. It takes no great art to offend people. Whether you’re sincere in your beliefs or not, you’re appealing to the lowest common denominator. You can’t insult everyone’s mother, sister, girlfriend, friend who happens to be a girl, etc. and not expect people to get a little defensive.

            The more people who tell you you’re wrong, the more you’ll believe you’re right. You’re angry and directionless, but you enjoy being angry and directionless. I won’t patronize you by saying I pity you, but I do hope that someday you’ll cringe at remembering the person you were. I’ve been there. I bet everyone on this site has been there. It’s a part of growing up, and it’s not something I or anybody else can compel you to do.

          • Faulkner

            Funny thing is I never even really insulted women. Unless you consider reminding people they also have duties in addition to rights insulting.

            No, I receive replies because I tell the truth. An unpleasant and painful truth, which is why people lash out against me, but the truth nonetheless, which is why no one can remain indifferent to me. Also I’m 22, I’m not gonna “grow up” more than I already have. At best, I’ll find a girl and be happy someday. But even then, simply being happy won’t magically make me start believing things I know to be false.

          • MichaelANovelli

            No, society judges man by their willingness to kill in the name of nationalism.

            Get out of THAT one, why don’t you? 😉

          • Faulkner

            Honestly, Mendo, in my experience, neither men nor women are valued by their willingness to do anything. People are only valued by what they are, what they have, and what they do.

          • MichaelANovelli

            Can’t say I’ve ever seen that, but it all sounds very cowardly…

          • Faulkner

            It’s cruel, yes, but it’s just the way it is. People only care about what you do, what youe and what you have.

          • MichaelANovelli

            That may be how it is in high school, but in real life, things don’t work that way. Trust me on this…

          • Faulkner

            Why is that exactly? What is it that supposedly changes so drastically after people leave high school? The only difference I’ve noticed since I left there is that people try harder to pretend they’re better than they actually they are because society isn’t as forgiving towards them now that they’re older.

          • MichaelANovelli

            If you’re the only person who can’t distinguish a difference, maybe everyone else isn’t the problem?

          • mamba

            Only if you’re in a college frat party…I never get asked about my sex life with the people I talk to, and it never affects my ability to do anything in life at all.

            Therefore since society could care less about my sex life, obviously they aren’t judging me based on how often I have it.

            Since this is basic common sense, I’ll assume you’re not getting this logic. 🙂

          • Faulkner

            Yes, away with you, lowly one.

          • Stop. Engaging. This. Guy.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            You know, you’re right – I really should not. But on the other hand, this guys whole line of argumentation is SO aggrivatingly stupid and he is SOOO full of himself, that I can’t resist, but answer, because there is just so many stupid stuff, he is telling, that I cannot let it slide.

          • mamba

            He’s not lying, I’d believe he has no lady friend…

            Remember that according to him, lack of sex DROVE the priests to gravitate towards having sex with young little boys? Well, he’s being denied lots of sex…so no, he doesn’t have a LADY friend at all, apparently he’s a slave to his hormones without outlet, and according to him, that makes young boys tempting targets, so…..

            Let me quote him from above: “They rape little boys because they’re the closest thing to women that’s available.”. Are women available to him? Nope? Ergo…

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            100 % agree.

          • Elie Challita

            Finally figured out your next victim’s jogging schedule, didn’t ya?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Have a nice wednesday – use it to think about your life, your priorities and your stand towards women.

          • somerandomcommenter

            We get it, Chris-Chan. You’re no longer a virgin with rage. When is the next Sonichu issue coming out?

          • Faulkner

            I can tell just by reading the first paragraph I really struck a nerve. Here’s to hoping I strike many more. Mazel Tov!

            (Un)surprisingly, you also seemed to have missed the point of my Catholic Church analogy. They rape little boys because they’re the closest thing to women that’s available. Or do you really think several high-ranking members of a religious institution that’s openly against homossexuality are all secretly gay? They’re not. But it’s extremely difficult for them to approach women in a discreet way that doesn’t raise suspicion because of their position. Young boys may be boys, but they still don’t have overtly masculine traits yet due to their age. Most children are pretty androgynous, after all. Since they’re the closest thing to women they have easy access, they’re the ones they go after.

            Not even gonna bother with the middle section of the post since it’s the usual female (false) platitudes; “Oh, I just want a nice guy who appreciates me for who I am”. That’s bullshit and we both know it. If you’re too ashamed to admit you’re not attracted to the type of men society says you should be, that’s fine. But don’t insult my intelligence. You could find the nicest guy on God’s green Earth, but if he lacked all the traits that women find truly attractive, he’d be just as an unattractive to you as all the other losers and you’d still be as dry as the Sahara desert.

            As for the rest, I’ve already laid out the situation for you: feminism’s reorganization of society has created a serious problem and made it so a large number of men are simply unable to find willing sex partners. Men need sex, and without they become unstable, so this problem needs to be resolved. Unfortunately for you, these techie, beta types are just too large and too important to society as a group to be disposed off, so they’re going to have to be appeased. You’ve done nothing but make endless demands off society for the past decades. Now it’s time for you to bite the bullet and do something for society for a change.

          • mamba

            (Forgot to add to last reply).

            BTW, reading the last reply, you realize that I’m male too, right? I’m guessing not.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            So, they go after boys, not because they might be secretly gay, but because they want to bang a chick and they are not allowed to do so – AH of course! That makes sense. *LOL*

            Again: We are not Vulcans – we don’t NEED sex in order to survive.

    • Murry Chang

      I haven’t had sex in over 5 years an my mind is not degraded.

      The Santa Barbara shooting was a result of mental illness and speaks to our lack of caring for the mentally ill in this country. Blaming the MRA and Incel movements for it doesn’t help the actual problem in any way.

    • Guest

      You say “men need sex” a lot in your various replies and you also say something along the lines of “women don’t have a strong sex drive” and they need to give men sex anyways. I mean this with utmost sincerity, but do you not realize you are advocating rape? Because you are.

      You are effectively saying that men and women should have sex even if the woman is not interested. If any person is having sex when they don’t want to have sex, that is rape.

      • Faulkner

        Yes, I am saying women should sometimes have sex even when they don’t want to. No, I’m not advocating rape. I want them to do it of their volition, for them to understand it’s part of their role in maintaining the social order.

        Men also have to go to work and do their chores even if they don’t feel like it. It’s just what they have to do. Do you really think women have no obligations to society whatsoever?

        If women don’t understand this and start fulfilling their duty to society, you know what’s gonna happen? More and more of these beta, techie type males are gonna go without sex, they’re gonna become angry and because they’re simply too important to the functioning of society, they’ll have to be appeased.

        And you know how society is going to appease them? They’re gonna roll back all the laws created over the last few decades to benefit women so we go back to the old days where women were forced to be with men they didn’t care about simply because they could not provide for themselves. It probably won’t be as bad as it was before, but it certainly won’t be as good as it is now.

        • CaptainCalvinCat

          To quote the title of one of the parts of Nash’s webshow: WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!

          • Jonathan Campbell

            A mixture of egotism, paranoia and plain old fashioned attention seeking.

            No doubt he is indeed a lonely misogynist and compensatory narcissist but there is definitely a bit of “shock trolling” in there as well.

            Believing his own lies and enjoying the rise he is getting out of people; that’s whats wrong with him.

            Still, he’s keeping this page popular, so maybe we should thank him.

            Still half convinced he’s just Nycea in disguise though.

        • somerandomcommenter

          Hmm…interesting hypothesis. Or maybe, just maybe, society as a whole will stand up and say to all these supposed alpha/beta types, “Humans aren’t wolves, but if *you* want to live like wolves, there’s a great expanse of wilderness. Over there. You know, away from us.”

          That wasn’t a hypothesis by the way. It’s what what we’re trying to tell you. Now. Go away.

          • Faulkner

            Yes, well, unfortunately, that’s just not possible. These people are just too important to the day-to-day functioning of modern society. They may be sexually repulsive, but they’re socially invaluable. A society will have a easier time surviving without its Alphas than it would without its Betas. You can not simply cast them out.

        • Guest

          So you are saying that women (in general? just hetero? does their marital status count? Is a lady only allowed to say no if she is in a committed relationship?) should have sex with any guy who asks or else she will be forced to have sex with any guy that asks? So if you have a girlfriend, I can have sex with her even if she doesn’t want to have sex with me?

          What’s more concerning is that you are trying to say that it would not be rape when it obviously is. You say you want them to do it of their own volition, but that would mean they would have a choice. In your suggestion the options are: have sex or lose your rights. That is not just rape, that’s blackmail and coercion.

          You talk about women’s contributions to society like they only have their body to offer. As if no woman has ever done anything to move society forward, but that is simply not true, and only the most simple minded of people would mitigate the influences of Madam Curie, Mary Shelley, Queen Elizabeth, Jane Goodall, Ada Lovelace, etc.

          You also talk like all beta’s are incels when that’s not true either. Yeah a lot of the guys I know are but not all of them, and most of them have had sex before. My best friend is getting a computer science degree and has a girlfriend (who he has sex with).

          Lastly, sex does not make someone “more” or “less” anything. In a lot of your later comments, you sling the phrase “virgin boy” around worse than a 90’s film but really no one cares if you are having sex or not (unless that sex is with a non consenting party). If have the most sex was an indicator of social standing than sex workers would rule the world.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            What do you expect from Faulkner? I learned, that there is nothing to expect of him. His worldviews stopped somewhere in the bronze-age, he’s a avowing misogynist, he is slinging around nonsensical arguments, that are only grounded in reality, if you’ve either drunken yourself into a stupor or have been hit on the head a few times too often.

    • Matthew Johnson

      “This isn’t a matter of entitlement…” “…give us the sex we need…”

      Well, I’m convinced!

      Oh, congrats on getting on Fundies Say The Darndest Things, by the way. Hell of an accomplishment.

    • Muthsarah

      “Men need sex, and without it, our minds start deteriorating”

      Isaac Newton was a virgin his whole life. Friggin’ genius.

      • CaptainCalvinCat

        And there you have it – he only found out, that gravity exists and other stuff. Imagine, what he could’ve done, if he got laid.

        (And of course, I’m being sarcastic here. ^^)

    • Incel_exists

      You can cut down on your need, by taking a medication that reduces your testosterone level. I have done so; and the lower testosterone level makes me better able to do without sex and keep my mind off of it.

      These medications also have feminization effects and are good for helping you change yourself to a woman, which is what some men want. If you, like me, don’t want that and are content to keep looking like a man, wear men’s clothes, and use the men’s wash rooms, then cyproterone acetate is what you need — at least the only one that I found.

      Another side effect is becoming listless and lethargic, instead of being energetic. Since I don’t feel like exercising, it’s important to maintain a low-calorie diet. Another problem is that cyproterone acetate is prohibited by the FDA here in the USA. But in Mexico one can get it over the counter without a prescription; so the solution is to live close to the border.

    • incel_exists

      Go to a shink.
      If you don’t want to take one of the commonly-prescribed antidepressangs like prozac or wellbutrin, then how about an antiandrogen?

  • FullofQuestions1

    This is a good documentary, I think I’ll check it out.

    Also, people, stop using Asperger’s as an excuse to be a jerk online. Grrr.

    • John Wilson

      Why, cause it make you feel bad whenever you call someone out? I’m not talking about you. I don’t think you said anything that I know of. I’m just talking how in generally. People are scared to think in terms of mental heath. It can be hard to look at someone doing something and realizing its not actually them. But that the way you have to look at somethings to understand whats actually happening.

      Its can be talking to a brick wall. Some people truly don’t understand what you are saying. And will get angry for what you think the’re saying. Just remember that they are not you and to sometimes just let it go.

  • Once again, this was a very good article and one I was thinking about long after I read it. And I must agree with Full of Questions that Aspergers isn’t an excuse. I know many people with autism (myself included) that do the best they can to lead a normal life. As for the topic of failing at romance, this is something I haven’t put much thought into. I hope that there is someone out there for me. But if not, , I know better than to blame the opposite sex. I was truly appalled by the one forum user that you mentioned that said women aren’t people. I can’t stand that line of thinking.

  • I have heard a little bit about TFLs(True Forced Loneliness) before but I just assumed that just a fancy term for guys who cannot get a date even if their lives depended on it but finding out that they’re tin-foil hat types surprised me to no end.

  • TheScottCSmith

    I haven’t seen this short film, but I can certainly identify with these guys. After my divorce in 2008, I spent several years in dating, and virtually every date was a one-shot deal. I had probably been on 60 or more first dates before 2013. After each failed date, I’d beat myself up over it: I wasn’t attractive, I’m too fat, I’m too bad, I have an unpleasant personality. With many things in life, though, you just have to keep at it. I was frequently discouraged but in the end I did find someone special.

  • MichaelANovelli

    Well, since missing the point of the article is the thing to do, I’ll just say it: these incel guys keep complaining that they can’t get laid, why don’t they just have sex *with each other*? They don’t seem to like women much, anyway, so what’s the problem?

    • Not everyone is as… Open minded as you, Mike.

      • MichaelANovelli

        “Needs must as the devil drives,” or something…

    • Guy Patterson

      Brilliant.

  • Sardu

    The only man that is truly” forced to live without sex” is a man with no hands.

    Just sayin’.

    • FullofQuestions1

      Or someone who has no feeling below the waist (it happens with certain spinal cord injuries).

      • Jay_Bay

        Poor Joe Swanson….

        • Canais Young

          They do make jokes about that on “Family Guy”.

      • $36060516

        Such a person can still give pleasure to someone else (with more than one above-the-waist method) and receive cuddles and kisses in return. In my book, those are the best parts of sex anyway.

        • Sardu

          All joking aside, I knew a guy that was paralysed below the waist and he said that was absolutely the case. He became very, very visual in his stimulation and found orgasmic pleasure in the art of pleasing. Much to be learned there 😉

      • Elie Challita

        Nah, there have been cases of sensation displacement where guys who had lost sensation below the waist could get the same sexual pleasure from someone stroking their thumbs.

    • Magdalen

      I think you won the comment section, bro.

    • CDF-CRO

      Well some men without hands have taught themselves to repair watches with their toes. If they can do that…

      Plus regardless what the movie “Clerks” said, it is possible to accomplish a certain something without breaking your neck. Just check Wikipedia.

    • Elie Challita

      Not even. Where there’s a dick, there’s a way

    • Don’t say, “just sayin”. It adds nothing and makes you sound like a wincing tool.

      Say the joke. Don’t say the joke and then cringe out a “just sayin”, it’s like those morons who write “jk” at the end of a sentence like we are all too stupid to pick up on their jokes.

      • Sardu

        Well, oddly enough I had reached the same conclusion and had decided to swear the saying off forever but now that I know it pisses you off I have come away resolved to work it into not only every internet post I ever write from here out but also to infuse my day to day discourse with the phrase as well, invigorated in the knowledge that each and every time I say it a small piece of your soul dies.

        Jus sayin’.

  • Joe Soap

    I don’t think you want sex as much as you say you do. What you really want is what you think every other guy is getting except you. The love and companionship of a woman. Someone to go on dates with, to spend time with, to simply talk to. Someone to alleviate your loneliness. Well self loathing is not the way to go about it. If you want someone to love you then first you must love yourself. Otherwise be prepared to spend a lifetime alone. Your choice. Play nice or don’t play at all.

    • Faulkner

      All those other things are important as well, but I’m talking about base, physiological needs here. Check Maslow’s pyramid if you want to see what I mean. For the record though usually gains men very little, whether it be in relationships, professionally or anything else.

      • incel_exists

        If what you want is to not suffer, then there is a way.

        And I’m not talking about ‘therapy’ and ‘love yourself first’.

        • Jonathan Campbell

          I’m no fan of Faulkner but no. Just no. Knock that right off.

    • Pratchettgaiman

      For a lot of people, self-love is not something they can just choose to have. It’s not a matter of flipping a switch from “I hate myself” to “I love myself,” it’s (at best) telling yourself something you KNOW to be a lie (“I am worth something”) for weeks, months, even years on end until it isn’t a lie any more, all the while surrounded by people who either seem to be obliviously proving how worthless you are in comparison to them, or actively working against you.

      • Faulkner

        Excellent point. The only thing I’d add to that is that simply looking in the mirror and saying “I am worth something” over and over again isn’t enough, now matter how much you do it or for how long. You actually have to do something that makes you feel like you’re worth something. Otherwise there’s no point.

        A lot of these young men are trapped in a vicious cicle they simply cannot break. Simply telling them to “be confident” won’t help, you might as well ask them to grow wings and fly. Most of them will need society to reach out to them first before they can start on the path to recovery. Unfortunately for them, they were born male in a society where weakness and inability to fit in are simply not tolerated in males, so it never does reach out to them.

  • Fantasy Mission Force

    ‘Advanced’ does kinda look like a chubby Joey Ramone, though.

  • Earthbound_X

    Wow, if Disqus only let me block a single person, I know who’d it be based on these comments.

    Wow.

    I really wish Disqus let you block people. One good thing about Google buying Youtube, you can now block people, and never see their comments ever again.

  • Simon

    “Advanced”, or “Basic” as I’d prefer to call him, is a disgusting human being.

    “Obese and ugly girls”? Does that also include having no dignity or self-respect? Telling a woman that the only reason you’re dating them is because you’re settling is really going to win a gal’s heart.

  • Alex S

    “Being a feminist on the internet can be stressful.”

    STFU

    “But every once in a while, from a dark corner of the internet comes an Incel.”

    STFU you unsympathetic evil bitch

    “It’s always pretty people who tell you “you can’t judge a book by its cover,” and that’s easy for me to say, because I’m not ugly.”

    Seriously STFU

    “When asked if he ever resents women, he says (and I’m not making this up), “Sometimes yes, because I see how easy they have it and how hard we have it in comparison.”

    STFU we are NOT making it up either

    Conclusion: yeh just STFU because this something you could NEVER EVER UNDERSTAND

    • MichaelANovelli

      I’m confused, did you want her to say more? That was the impression I was getting. 🙂

    • CaptainCalvinCat

      Hey, Alex, keep calm. This tone isn’t helping the situation.
      Plus – and, maybe I’m in the minority here – I don’t think that women have it that easy. Life can be a unsympathetic evil bitch to both genders.
      People will always nag about you.

      • Alex S

        dating is heavily rigged today in favour of women; you’re an idiot if you think otherwise

        • CaptainCalvinCat

          How sweet of you.

          And you have prooves of your claims, now do you?

          • Alex S

            Proof? Are you an idiot? Women on dating sites get bombarded with dozens of msges everyday.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            The fact, that I want a proof of your outrageous claims should tell, if I’m an idiot or not. ^^
            Would an idiot believe people telling stuff without checking the facts?

          • Many of which are incredibly creepy and have to be blocked. That’s like saying you think Black people have it easy because they get “more attention” from the police.

          • Alex S

            idiot

          • Took you 2 months to come up with that one?

        • “dating is heavily rigged today in favour of women”

          Translation: “Women are able to say “No” and this angers me.”

        • MichaelANovelli

          Well, there *is* this whole other gender you could date, ya know. 🙂

    • Douchifer

      Gotta love the way that “incels” and “Nice Guys”TM go on the defensive when they’re called out on their bullshit.
      Let me guess, you “Aren’t like those losers!”?

  • FullofQuestions1

    Huh, I just noticed that Michael seems to be in Boston.

  • Why do we beat around the bush and avoid questioning women’s expectations of men?

  • Florin

    The thing i hate the most about the media is their interest in focusing on the extreme elements in any group.For example if you’ll focus on a group that is without any luck or whatever you want to call it when it comes to sex they will automatically focus on the least socially adjusted most extreme views that you can find guys.A so called incel who is not in any way prone to saying absurd things or acting in a borderline illegal way will never get on tv because he would not fit the ‘narrative’.The media has the so called narrative for everyhing and stories when they happen have to fit in it somehow even if real life is a bit more complicated.Are these guys at best weird at worst reprehensible and incredibly stupid yes,are they automatically representative of the whole group no.But the media does this with any marginalised group they focus on the ‘best examples’ and perpetuate certain views because ‘hey, the narrative has to fit somehow’.

    • The mainstream media is trash, I think we all know this but I still have to take major issue with this post. My main point of contention it that I don’t think that the word marginalized should be used to describe “guys who have a hard time getting laid.” I mean, exactly how many states have passed/tried to pass laws banning Incels from using public bathrooms without providing proof of gender? How many Incels get killed by the police for no reason? Is there a wage gap for Incels? Do Incels have a harder time receiving health care because Incel clinics are being targeted by ultra-conservative state legislatures and violent protesters? Do Incels get accused of being sex workers just for being outside while being gender non-comforming?

      I’m sorry, but it’s just insulting to people who have suffered actual systemic marginalization to include Incels among their number. Cis white men who want to have sex with cis (probably white) women but can’t due to their own social awkwardness are not a marginalized group. Call me back when an Incel gets shot in the back and has a stun gun planted on them by a dirty cop, then we can talk.

      • Florin

        Alright my definition of marginal,either the system is discriminating against you or society defined as common folks treats you in a way that is “not friendly”.You can accept this definition or you can go with the mainstream but i think its works since let’s face it not being in a relationship is rarely viewed as ok by most people.Even if people are understanding the attitude is still one of not welcome it would be nice for everyone if you left or at least not make yourself too visible.Plus i’m pretty sure some incels are bi or gay and have the same troubles,The term is involuntary celibacy nothing written about being white and straight although these guys get the most airtime.So yes an incel might not run the risk of getting shot but if i was to make a bet i would assume on the social ladder they’re pretty low,although determining in an objective way exactly were they stand is impossible,But i assume even the most conservative community would still view an incel as pretty low on the social ladder,probably not as low as minorities but still below everyone else who is in a relationship.They may not shoot him for kicks or pass laws but the overall attitude would still be can you please go away its weird for us to talk to someone like you.In a way incels are ignored because of their perceived lameness basically the ‘not even worth a bullet’ attitude.So yes they may not suffer official marginalisation but its unlikely the average person would want to have a beer with them.One other detail in more conservative countries incels might actually run the risk of harm.Since in such countries single folks can be assumed gay by homophobic folks who decide to take matters in their own hands.I speak as a person who lives in a conservative country and knows full well what people assume.