Does Agents of SHIELD deserve a second chance?

Last year, I posted my thoughts about the first six episodes of Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD, and to be honest, I assumed that would be all I’d ever have to say about it. I was so turned off by those episodes that I had no intention of ever watching the show again. But towards the end of the season, I started to hear murmurings that things had finally improved, and with the second season premiere coming up this Tuesday, I decided to give it another go.

After a few binge-watching sessions, I can confirm there’s truth to what you’ve heard. The show does pick up a lot in the episodes leading up to and immediately following the release of Captain America: The Winter Soldier. It eventually gets close to what it should have been from the start: an Alias-type espionage saga full of double-crossings and triple-crossings where our main characters never really know who to trust. In retrospect, it’s clear all the boring episodes were a stall tactic, as the showrunners were forced to wait for the big HYDRA plot twist of Winter Soldier to unfold so they could fully kick things into gear.

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This was also the point where the producers heeded my advice, and brought on more seasoned guest stars to add a bit of gravitas to the ensemble. Bill Paxton appeared in several episodes as a colleague of Agent Coulson who eventually turns out to be the big bad of the season. There were also appearances from Marvel characters we know from the movies, including Cobie Smulders as Maria Hill, Jaimie Alexander as Sif, and of course, Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury, now sporting his post-Winter Soldier eyepatch-free makeover.

Does Agents of SHIELD deserve a second chance?

We also got to meet several other agents (played by the likes of Patton Oswalt and Saffron Burrows, among others), and at long last, it started to feel like our main characters were actually part of a large, global organization. Prior to the big turning point of the season, the team felt more like the Scooby Doo gang, flying around in their Mystery Machine jet and stumbling upon random monsters and mutants terrorizing the locals. But by the end of the season, one could almost believe there were things at stake and the team actually had a mission. And all it took was the total dissolution of SHIELD to get there.

Last time around, I pleaded for the show to stop playing coy about the circumstances of Agent Coulson’s return from the dead. That mystery was mostly solved, and while the truth wasn’t terribly shocking, I must admit it wasn’t what I was expecting. It turns out Coulson was resurrected by an injection of alien DNA that may have possibly given him cosmic powers. I thought he was just a Life Model Decoy, so kudos to the writers for that reveal.

Does Agents of SHIELD deserve a second chance?

And I was pleasantly surprised to see the return of several characters and artifacts introduced early on, which I had initially disregarded as one-offs, never to be seen or heard from again.

Unfortunately, the “good” episodes still don’t excuse the sheer amount of boredom viewers had to endure to get to them. Even in hindsight, those early episodes spent setting up characters and plot points that eventually became important still don’t feel like time well spent. Did anyone actually remember (or care) what the deal was with evil industrialist Ian Quinn when he finally re-entered the series after four or five long months? Did the show really have to devote an entire episode to establishing that evil super-soldiers occasionally get cybernetic eye implants that allow HYDRA to track their every move?

We got a lot more setup than we needed, which is unfortunate, because the writers had no idea how to make all that setup interesting. If they were really that creatively hampered by having to hold off on the HYDRA reveal until the release of Winter Soldier, then the first season should have been 13 episodes long and premiered in January. Shorter seasons have been working pretty well on basic/pay cable for at least a decade, so it makes no sense that the broadcast networks still insist on these lengthy seasons with way too many filler episodes, and way too many “bottle” or “ship” episodes (or in this case, “bus” episodes) to stretch out the budget.

You can see the effects of the sluggish start in the show’s viewership: After months of ratings freefall, Agents of SHIELD eventually stabilized in March at about 5 or 6 million viewers per episode. But despite the improved state of the show, it stayed right at that number until the end. Even the big season finale barely saw an uptick from the previous week.

The problem is that the show getting “good” coincided with it becoming completely impenetrable to new viewers. We went from episodes where nothing happens, to episodes where you needed to tack up index cards on a corkboard and string them together with yarn to make sense of everything. That’s just poor planning on the part of everyone involved, plain and simple.

And underneath the big plot twists, the show still had all the same fundamental flaws; they were just less obvious when the characters were actually, you know, doing stuff. The show is still severely limited by not being allowed to upstage the movies, and most of the cast is still too young and devoid of charisma. And spending two-thirds of the season watching them act like hormonal, sullen, mopey teenagers made it that much harder to take these characters seriously when things finally started to get real.

I understand this show is aimed at the younger demographic that watches the Marvel movies, which compelled them to cast a bunch of cute, twenty-something actors. But if that’s the case, they should have just called the show SHIELD Academy. Or Rookies of SHIELD. They could have started the show off with Agent Coulson, still traumatized from being brought back from the dead, wanting to retire from active duty and high-pressure situations. Instead of being out in the field, he decides to mentor some fresh-faced recruits right out of the academy. And then when the HYDRA shit hits the fan, Coulson comes to rely on these borderline-incompetent novices because he’s got no one else to trust.

Frankly, the show wouldn’t have been that much different with a premise like that, but at least it would have been consistent. What we got instead was a show constantly playing up its main characters’ ineptitude and unprofessionalism for laughs while still trying to convince us they were the best and brightest that the agency had to offer, and worthy of serving under a guy who reports directly to the head honcho of SHIELD. And I, for one, never quite bought it.

Chloe Bennet as Skye still isn’t the least bit believable as a secret agent or a master computer hacker. Her character became more tolerable in the latter part of the season simply because they stopped having episodes focused entirely on her.

In my previous article, I stated that Brett Dalton as Agent Ward was “about as expressive as a cardboard box full of styrofoam peanuts”, and that hasn’t changed, even despite the reveal that he was an agent of HYDRA all along. I can’t say for certain that the writers totally pulled his heel turn out of their asses, but it sure feels that way. I doubt rewatching those early episodes would reveal any clues about Ward’s true loyalties that we didn’t notice before, and Brett Dalton himself had no inkling of the twist until 15 episodes in.

Does Agents of SHIELD deserve a second chance?

This is where Agents of SHIELD could have lived up to the potential of injecting long-form storytelling into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It had the opportunity to do something Captain America: The Winter Soldier didn’t have time to do while it was busy blowing up skyscrapers for the umpteenth time in a Marvel movie: It could have delved deep into the HYDRA twist, and explored the true reasons why so many SHIELD agents decided to join up with what’s essentially a Nazi offshoot.

The explanation in Winter Soldier boiled down to “they’re evil”. It would have been far more interesting if Agents revealed that the members of HYDRA actually thought they were the good guys, keeping the world safe with black-ops tactics that even SHIELD found morally repugnant. But they didn’t go there. Agent Ward is a HYDRA double-agent because he’s evil. Oh, and also because when he was a kid, Paxton’s character made him live alone in the woods for five years and shoot his dog.

But the worst part of the sudden improvement of Agents of SHIELD is how it lends more credence to the insidious myth that every TV show needs a full season (or more) to find its footing. Which then feeds into a constant game of lowered expectations where we tell ourselves that the first few months of a TV show have to be boring. They don’t. I can think of plenty of shows, like 24, The Shield, The Sopranos, Lost, and Heroes that hit the ground running and gave us strong first seasons. (Whether or not they kept up that level of quality for the rest of their runs is another story, but it does prove that it’s possible to be entertaining from episode one.)

Also, would someone tell the writers that dropping in references to obscure Marvel characters does not make for a better show? From a recurring character who becomes Deathlok, to unimpressive guest appearances by Graviton and Blackout and Lorelei, to awkward namedrops of Blizzard, Quasar, and the Griffin, I can assure them that no one other than hardcore Marvel fanatics cares about this stuff in the slightest. They need to spend less time researching old comic books and more time creating interesting original characters.

Does Agents of SHIELD deserve a second chance?

Heading into season two, Agents of SHIELD probably deserves another chance. There are plenty of plot threads from season one still left to be tied up, and a few interesting guest stars on the horizon, including Lucy Lawless, Kyle MacLachlan, Haley Atwell (appearing in flashback as Peggy Carter), and Adrianne Palicki as Mockingbird. And yet, this series still doesn’t qualify as must-see TV. This is definitely not a show where I feel compelled to watch every episode as soon as it airs because everybody will be talking about it the next day. Agents of SHIELD is never going to give us any true shocks or surprises. No matter what, Marvel is always going to save its A material for the movies.

I think it goes without saying that if we had gotten the spring episodes back in the fall, my feelings would be a lot different. I didn’t have high expectations for this show, and all I ever wanted was some fun cloak-and-dagger action (and no, I don’t mean Cloak and Dagger, though I’m sure those two will be referenced in a throwaway line sooner or later). It’s unclear who’s to blame for why it took the better part of a year for Agents of SHIELD to finally deliver that action, but hopefully the makers of future Marvel shows like Agent Carter and Daredevil have learned a lesson from this, and won’t make the same mistakes.

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  • Moppet

    It doesn’t deserve a second chance, as far as I’m concerned, because I was never disappointed with the first offering. Unlike some people, I quite enjoyed agents of people, and was always perplexed about the complaints or issues and critiques – I just couldn’t see the things they were pointing out as issues. A series that actually slowly built itself up, properly foreshadowed, and that offered new things to see and realize were there all along when I went back for a second viewing. What especially surprised me is despite the slow boil, what it delivered wasn’t just, “we promise we’re going to explain things later, and then disappoint you because we didn’t actually plan ahead” mystery box style writing – the answers and revelations Agents of Shield offered later on were interesting, often surprising, and they actually made sense given what we knew and had been shown.

    I had quite a different reaction than you, each new episode I had to see as soon as possible, and, the people around my life had a similar reaction as well, because everyone I knew did talk about it, and wondered about elements that had been presented, what they might hint at, where they were going and how they might tie into the movies and larger Marvel Cinematic Universe.

    I’m not going to act like I’m right about the series, and that anyone that dislikes it is wrong, taste is taste – the end. I simply saw the same things, and didn’t feel the same way, it stops there. I ate tiny shrimp, eyes still attached, lightly salted, offered up like french fries back when I lived overseas. I loved them, and they complimented my meal greatly. My Mother, on the other hand, eating the same meal, wrinkled her nose at the tiny Shrimp and said they tasted like salted fingernails. Same thing. Two different people. Two different reactions.

    Personally a slow boil, to me, is not the same as boring, as if I’d found the early series boring, I quite simply wouldn’t have watched it. As it was, I, and those I know offline, had a lot of fun viewings, and a lot to talk about with each new slice of the series. We’re eagerly awaiting more. I can’t wait for another helping of salted fingernails, er, shrimp.

    I think I must be hungry.

  • Gallen Dugall

    They backed off of making the show revolve around mopey super hacker girl. Unfortunately that plot line hasn’t gone away. Whenever the show isn’t focused like a laser on the worst written character, the show gets better. Super mopey traitor SHIELD agent is the second worst character. Let me be clear, it’s the writing that was at fault. The actress does a fine job with what she’s given, but most of the time what they give her is “be a mopey Mary Sue” which is just horrible. It’s very much like an amateurish take on generic Whedon fantasy girl. The other problem was super mopey traitor SHIELD agent which has the additional problem that the actor playing him isn’t very good.
    All that said the show was always better than the 99% who’s sleeping with who soap opera that is Arrow.
    The way it tied in seamlessly with Winter Soldier made it an event, and if you missed out on that, you just missed out.

    • Alexa

      I disagree in regards to Skye, I like her. She’s a character that I think will grow to be great, and I liked that she didn’t know everything about everything from the get go, she was constantly growing and changing with each ep. As for Ward, I liked the actor and thought he gave a lot of nuance to the role. And yeah this show is just a masterpiece in comparison to Arrow, which is just a pain to sit through IMO.

      • Gallen Dugall

        Whenever anything exciting happens in Arrow the tension is watered down with soap opera melodrama. I suspect Flash is going to be a train wreck.

        • CaptainCalvinCat

          I mean – I like Arrow. But sometimes I just feel so annoyed by those flashbacks and stuff like that.

          • Thomas Stockel

            Really? Because I love the flashbacks and how they tie in with what is going on in the present. I think Stephen Amell has done a tremendous job of playing two different Oliver Queens and watching him transform from one into the other has been fun to watch (i.e. his first kill in the season one finale).

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Let me put it this way – you’re right about Stephen Amell being able of playing those two sides of the same coin, the guy, who is in over his head on the island and the more stoic, detatched guy, he is now five years later.
            And I didn’t say, that the flashbacks are bad generally – there are just some episodes, in which I think “Come on, enough with the island already!”

            Generally, the show is great, I really like watching it, but like I said, sometimes the scenes in Olivers past can take you out. Take into consideration, that we in Germany manage to cram in “Werbeblöcke” (commercial breaks), which takey you out even more and you can understand, why sometimes the flashbacks (in combination with the commercials) can get annoying.

            Concerning “levity” – sometimes the characters have really fun oneliners, so, that’s a plus.

        • Alexa

          I don’t know about Flash, it looks decent but I don’t like the way the CW handles these shows, so yeah you never know.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Maybe I’M in the minortiy here, but I have to admit, I would’ve liked to see shows taking place in the Smallville-Universe. Except for the first 2 Seasons, in which – to me – Smallville was crap (and I called it Sleepwell), I digged the show. It had some nice moments and was – at least to me – not that bad.

  • MarshallDog

    “Marvel is always going to save its A material for the movies.”
    If we’re really being honest, their A material isn’t terribly special to begin with. I haven’t watched Agents of SHIELD but if it’s not even as good as the movies, meh.

    • mamba

      NO tv show can be as good as the movies, by virtue of sheer money and effort behind it. They cannot afford the same actors nor writers, they cannot do special effects to the same degree, they know they have to reuse certain sets, so they have to focus on “cheaper options” like dialogue, character interaction, and other drama tricks. True these are things the movies need too, but movies know that the extras in the movie will always make up for it.

      Proof is simple: all PILOT tv shows are usually balls-out awesome by comparison to the rest of the show. Sometimes the pilot is literally the only GOOD episode of a show. Why? Because they treat it as a mini-movie and fund massive money into it, creating a product that they cannot maintain over other episodes, so people go in expecting the greatness of the pilot and after just 2 shows they see what they REALLY have…warmed over plots, effects, etc… Reboot of the Bionic Woman and Knight Rider are my case studies here, but feel free to add any of the hundreds others that come to mind.

      Other times when the direction changes and a movie is made out of a TV show (simpsons, X-files, serenity, etc…) it fails too, because now they either give people exactly what they expect (simpsons movie was just simpsons tv show a little longer, same as star trek TNG movies, x-files, etc…), or they have to ondence the story that the shows had the option to stretch across a month and hours of plot development…into about 2 hours they wraps up somewhat, and that cannot occur. Both are doomed to failure.

      Personally, I like SHIELD as it is…a fun action romp with good character arcs and decent progression of plot (nowadays anyway), keeping enough held back to add to the charm and payoff. True some characters gotta go (looking at you Ward, you’re just too dull), but overall it’s nice to see how they interact with each other and the crap they deal with, and more importantly, grow as characters. which you gotta admit, they definitely did develop individually as things went on week-to-week. Looking forward to the next season.

  • Gallen Dugall

    “The show is still severely limited by not being allowed to upstage the movies”
    this is the most common and unfounded complaint about the series. Comics do not have to deal with cosmic level threats in order to be interesting. A show about the little stuff going on in the background of all the cosmic level crap in the films is perfect.
    Case in point the “stop the helicarriers” plot of Winter Soldier verses the dealing with the aftermath of Hydra that AoS did. In many ways the details are more interesting then the broad strokes. I loved WS but the stuff that happened in the fallout on AoS is more interesting.

  • Anonymous

    …I can assure them that no one other than hardcore Marvel fanatics cares about this stuff in the slightest. But please remember, Marvel fans also watch this show. Frankly, my biggest complaint is they *don’t* tie in more comics lore into the show…

  • Ken Zevo

    I thought AoS got off to a rocky (but acceptable) start, then was pleasantly surprised when it got incrementally better with each show … up until the TAHITI/Hydra story arc took off into the moron-osphere. Suddenly, good guys would randomly turn out to be bad guys, nobody could be trusted, day started turning into night, wrong became right (and the other way around), black became white … and, by the last 3 episodes, my “willing suspension of disbelief” was worn down to a frazzle … so I moved on to other shows … better ones … or at least less confusing, less psychotic shows, with more consistent plot lines and less M. Night Shyamalan-esque plot twists. If I cried for Firefly, now I weep for AoS.

  • FEnM

    “Shorter seasons have been working pretty well on basic/pay cable for at
    least a decade, so it makes no sense that the broadcast networks still
    insist on these lengthy seasons with way too many filler episodes, and
    way too many “bottle” or “ship” episodes (or in this case, “bus” episodes) to stretch out the budget.”

    OMG, THIS. Between stuff like DW and Sherlock, short-season shows on cable, and anime, I’ve really come to appreciate how much better short seasons can be. Even 30-minute shows (as most anime–at least what I watch–tends to be) can do a LOT with 10-13 episodes, and without all the annoying filler and time-wasting that happens on longer broadcast shows. There are so many shows that you can tell, during the middle of the season, are just killing time until the last few episodes, aka the finale. Some shows can have interesting enough “adventure of the week” episodes that it’s tolerable, but in a lot cases if really drags. It’s especially bad in shows where they feel the need, regardless of what else is going on, to mention the stuff in the season arc every episode or so… like, yeah, we’re not idiots, thanks.

  • Alexa

    I’ll be perfectly honest I was never bored with this series, like at all. I liked all the characters, I had fun with all the episodes, and I thought the ending of the season was pretty great. You really can’t go wrong with Bill Paxton. And really it was just nice to watch a show with some humor and actual good acting, after trying to endure Arrow. Which is a show that really bores me because unlike Agents, which is willing to be fun as well as dark, just tries way too hard.

    • Thomas Stockel

      Oh, don’t you go dissin’ my Arrow!

      Seriously, I love both shows for different reasons, and while yeah, Arrow is pretty grimdark, it is still able to deliver on some levity here and there. I do feel the writers have it more together when it comes to overall plotting; when I watch Arrow I really do feel like they’ve got five years planned out.

      • Alexa

        Sorry for dissing your show (which I don’t I really want to hate honestly) but like I’ve said before I just don’t dig the acting and the way they portrayed the character. Agents isn’t perfect either, but I just gelled better with it. Its just one of those things…

        • Thomas Stockel

          Hey, it’s all good. 🙂

  • Animikean

    I suggest Avengers Undercover, 10 issues total (28 if you also read Avengers Arena before that, but each are complete stories) young mutants/heroes/etc. are forced to face violence, pain, and death that they have very little say in and given choices that all feel wrong. It hits some of the points you asked for, just wrapped up and no one feels like they’re played dumb (except Deathlocket – don’t ask, just don’t ask)

  • MichaelANovelli

    I imagine the reason they don’t create more original characters has to do with the same kind of copyright shenanigans that plagued The Incredible Hulk show…

    • CaptainCalvinCat

      You know what I would LIKE to see: A “Black Widow”-show. That would be great. Incredbile Hulk – when they do it the way they did in the movie, which lead in to the Avengers (with some humour interspersed there) I wouldn’t say something, however – from the Avengers Team Hulk is my least favourite.

  • Murry Chang

    Fortunately I didn’t start watching it until the second half of the season and just read wikipedia to see what I’d missed, so I love the heck out of it and will be watching tonight:)

  • Wizkamridr

    I find American super hero tv shows boring as _____, but that’s just me. I have the attention span of a cat with ADD.

  • Zack_Dolan

    I agree with pretty much all of this. I think the real problem (besides the dirt boring stock characters and the avalanche of filler and…a hundred other things, really) is that it sold itself as, and wanted so badly to be, the bridge between movies, except it isn’t. it doesn’t actually add much to the proceedings (it was literally nothing for over half the season actually, and after winter soldier it really didn’t bust any blocks either) and it shows monumentally poor planning. why in god’s name would you attach ALL of your serviceable material to the release of a movie that you know for a fact won’t be out til after half your season is over and as you said, boring the piss out of first run viewers and then making it impossible to get into after it got “good”? they knew the release date of captain america before they even shot any footage (bcs that’s like a thing you do now i guess) so why did they make their season run so it would just happen in the middle? it would be so much smarter to have a much shorter season (and as a side benefit spending the money better) that would run the opposite time of year as the movies that directly affected it. and presumably have the show characters guest star in those movies so we know what they were up to and then start your next season with these new changes in place. everyone is up to speed, there’s no awkward tonal shift, and people have time to see the movies first. i mean honestly, who has the time and money to see every marvel movie opening weekend just so that this mediocre show doesn’t spoil everything with it’s “aftermath” episode?

    That is actually why i stopped watching. when i didn’t have time to see thor or captain america in the THREE DAYS they gave me to do so before their tie in episode, i felt like it wasn’t worth screwing up the movies for a show i really didn’t like that much anyway. the idea of tying into the movies is not bad in and of itself, it just requires a LOT more planning and effort than the producers are willing to put in.

    • Jonathan Campbell

      From what I can gather, AoS was supposed to be its own show, but they found out that the plot of Winter Soldier would greatly impact their story and worked around that, so it wasn’t so much that they wanted it so much as this is what happened.

      I don’t think it was meant to bridge the movies; I think it was meant to be what it ultimately was- side-adventures starring the ensemble darkhorse that is Agent Coulson. The problem was more that it should have been side-adventures that expanded the wider Marvel universe and introduced and showcased its lesser known heroes and villains that didn’t make it into the movies, and it does….just not to the extent it should have.

      In retrospect its “serviceable” material, its HYDRA plot, isn’t all that much better than what came before. The only difference its, its relevant. But I found the whole of AoS season 1 reasonably entertaining, so…

  • Ice Princess

    I disagree the story may have got more “deep” but the flaws were still there. It sucks then it sucks now. Oh and those cameos in the season premier I’m not daubing over them like everyone else not only were they stupid as shit abut it just shows me they can’t even rely on their own cast to carry it. Please abc just cancel these shows they suck, maybe just less obviously than before but it’s still stupid. The dialogue us cringe inducing the plot is stupid as hell you think Lucy lawless would be in a shit show like this. And absorbing man you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel aren’t you I’m not falling for it unlike you mindless fanboys I give season 2 so far a D it didn’t get the F I gave it last year but it still sucks.

    • CaptainCalvinCat

      Ouch.

      I have to say, I would LOVE to see Agents of SHIELD, but we don’t get season 1 on DVD, apparently.

      That’s what annoys me.

      • Moppet

        I have season 1 on DVD, do you mean you don’t get it where you are in the world?

        • CaptainCalvinCat

          Let me put it this way. Agents of SHIELD was aired in Germany on RTL Crime (apparently) – the season was completed, we get a new Rerun on RTL Crime – BUT the only DVD one could order is the region 2 version – just english language, english, french, spanish subtitles. No trace of a german DVD release. That kinda sucks.

          We get a lot of bullshit on DVD, e.g. the Incredible Hulk in all its glory – although I’m biased here, because I hated this show since the first moment I saw it -, but Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD Season 1 we can only get via import.

          And while my english might not be thaaaaat bad, I would never dream of watching a 44 minute long episode of an english show and hope to understand every single bit.
          Which can be the deal-breaker when it comes to a show, that you don’t want to watch as mindless entertainment (“Ohhhh, the blinking lights”), but you want to actively guess, what could happen next – to me that are NCIS, NCIS LA, NCIS NOLA, Doctor Who and of course would be Agents of Shield.

          And while I watched Doctor Who’s Matt Smith tenure (another word I learned watching reviewers, I heard “ten year” before and thought, that that could not be right) on youtube (in english) and I enjoyed most of the part I was able to understand, I noticed, that I probably did not fully grasp everything.

          That changed, when we got the 5th season (Matt Smith’s first season) in German – and that’s why I’m so hyped to hear, that we are getting Sylvester McCoys run as “The Doctor” on DVD, too. Sure, there will be mistakes and some strange calls (for example: the word Kybermänner. It is the German translation for Cybermen… but when you watched NUWHO, in which they used “Cybermen” and “Timelord”, the german translation = Kybermänner and “Herren der Zeit” – lords of time – sounds a bit…. strange.)
          On the other hand – I think, that we at least GET those episodes in German and that it could help the popularity of the show.

          So – yeah – Agents of Shield, we want it in German , we want it on DVD and we want it NOW. ^^ Well, at least I want that in German. ^^

          • Jonathan Campbell

            The irony, of course, is that most people don’t even think Agents of SHIELD is especially good.

            Its not BAD, but it could certainly have been better.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            I have not a single problem with a show being just “the middle of the spectrum”, being just “meh”… In fact, I don’t need to be TOLD the the show is good, I need to look at it myself and think “This is a colossal waste of time, money and effort” or “Oh my goodnes, is that awesome”.

            Plus – I never had the desire to be like “the most people”. ^^
            Take “Birds of Prey” for example. the show get’s its ass handed to it by Solkir, people agree, that it is an utter mess, while I sit there, think about it, think what I see in the show, think, what Solkir says about it, take into consideration what was possible in that time and if there had been a possibilty to improve it story- or otherwise and then I say: “Nope, it is not bad. “

          • Jonathan Campbell

            All well and good.

            But…you just sounded like you were getting your hopes up. You make it sound like Germany might have been deprived of something SPECTACULAR- and, really, it wasn’t.

            I’m not trying to dissuade you from watching it; its a decent show all things considered. Just don’t expect TOO much from it.

            The second season does seem to be off to a strong start, but it still has its weaknesses as well. I definitely don’t think anyone who just watches the movies will be missing out on much.

            What I’m saying is- watch it if you can, but don’t be too bothered if you can’t.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Okay, so, I had the opportunity to watch the first two and a half episodes today (will continue watching tomorrow) and so far… I don’t know what would be wrong with the show. It is quite awesome.
            I don’t see anything wrong with it, excapt – maybe – the fact, that it is a TV-Show and is telling events on a weekly basis, opposed to a movie-franchises, which is telling events on a relatively irregular basis.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Now I watched the last 1 and a half episode on Thusday – and it was the one with the Graviton and the one with the cyborg-thief. I found them really enjoyable – in especially when Brand was playing pretending that he was the thief and the order came “Seduce the guard”… His reaction: Priceless. A panicked “HELP” towards Skye.

            I’m looking forward for the next episodes (which will be aired today).

          • Jonathan Campbell

            Well, season 2 is MILES better (only the first half has aired, though) so if you are enjoying season 1, you’ll probably enjoy season 2.

            The problem people had with the TV show (initially) is that they didn’t like the characters much (especially since there were next to no characters from the comics- Graviton is a rare exception at this early stage), the lack of clear direction, and the fact that it was very episodic.

            I suppose if you are watching them two or three at a time that might help matters. Bare in mind also that when it first aired it wasn’t certain that it would last more than one season (or even that season one wouldn’t be cancelled prematurely), so that harmed it too

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Okay, now Coulson has been Kidnapped – I think, that is the half-season-cliff-hanger of season one.
            Yeah, I’m still staying with the show, I’m still saying, this show is not mindblowingly awesome, BUT it is a solid A-Show, Mindblowingly awesome would be an A + * – no show gets an A+* – to me, AoS is entertaining – very entertaining, same way as SG-1 and SG:A were.

          • Moppet

            Sorry to hear all that. I hope the situations gets sorted out at some point, and you guys get it proper for Germany.

  • Jonathan Campbell

    Just watched the new episode.

    Well, so far, I’m liking what I see.

    Definitely off to a stronger start than the last one, and one of the stronger episodes of the entire show overall.

    Still kind of iffy, but they do look like they’ve finally got a handle of things and are taking it in the right (general) direction.