VIDEO: The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds (2013)

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Sofie goes from the artsy to the mainstream.

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  • Jonathan Campbell

    Okay, I really don’t know what “those games” are.

    Sincerely.

    I get that we’re not talking about them, but….what are we not talking about again?

    • Sofie Liv

      Well it’s kind of a question of.. if I did not bring them up, someone else would have and point them out to me. “You say all Zelda games are high quality but THOSE games that came out to a consol that never sold nor lasted and no one even remembers.”

      And yes, those games were an abormination without compare. “The Faces of Evil.” “Wand of Gamelon.” and. “Zelda’s adventures.”
      Look them up if you must, but it doesn’t take more than a single screen cap to see why they are an abormation… really.

      • Jonathan Campbell

        Okay, see, the Sofie in the video said we shouldn’t talk about them.

        Yes- I really did just want to trick you into talking about them.

        Yes, I am that childish.

        I win, you lose.

        =P

        • Sofie Liv

          Meh, don’t care, it doesn’t matter. It was really just a dumb throw away joke because I knew I had to bring it up, otherwise someone else would at some point.

          • Jonathan Campbell

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5tkAUNFa4

            (yeah, I just wanted to post this- no reason really)

          • The fact that you posted this clip ruins the incredibly lame joke that I just meticulously typed up.

            *Sigh* Yes, you are free to respond to this with the same quote.

          • Muthsarah

            K, this question goes out to anyone involved in Excuuuuuuuuuuse-Me-Princess-Gate:

            I don’t exactly remember this show. I think I MAYBE watched an episode. I…really don’t know. I have older sibs. I watched stuff with them. Can’t say I remember it all. But, even if only in retrospect (years and years of people talking about it), I kinda slightly feel I maybe remember it, though it could just as easily be some implanted memories. Dunno. Still, it’s a meme. So I knows it, somewhat.

            That said…..Does this cartoon bring back nostalgic memories, or does it make you angry? Granted, I may have a more….slightly objective….viewpoint, if my memories of it aren’t too good (and they’re not). But as someone who grew up knowing more about the games than this cartoon….I feel totally confident saying that this show may have been written and produced by people who never played the games, and even if they did, they only played it to say they had, and that they never really GOT it. Because every episode/clip of this show just made me hate. HATE. The games, almost, but mostly the creators of the cartoon. They added shooting swords, triforces, Pig-Ganon, and….what else? Still didn’t feel like the game. Felt like they didn’t want to respect an action-based game by making an action-based series. Also felt like they were trying to pay only lip-service to the games and otherwise make a bland 80s sitcom-y show.

            Point is, these shows sucked. And the games and their gamers deserved better. Feels kinda like the way Dungeons & Dragons were treated in the early 80s: every movie about it felt like it was written and produced by people who didn’t actually know what the attraction was, just read a one page abstract about the phenomenon, and write a boilerplate story about it. Usually about how it’s the last stop to Satanism. Like those commercials some years back implying that if you smoked pot, you were likely to shoot your friend in the face. Total logical disconnect. And a message driven from a pre-established agenda, based wholly on ignorance and panic.

            Only now does it feel like pop culture is starting to grasp what it’s like to love this fringe dorky stuff. But, even then, only intermittently.

          • Honestly? The reason I’ve been drawn to these kinds of quotes my entire life is that it’s like they’re an inside joke that only a subculture that I’m part of is in on. It’s like the ending to Pieces: It’s not REALLY the greatest thing of all time, but the fact of the matter is that I know anybody who SAYS it is has enough in common with me to strike up a really engaging conversation. It’s something that stands out in a genre that I’m drawn to, and only people with the same tastes and some level of the same experience are going to be in on it.

            That is what discussing the Nintendo CDi games or the Mario Super Show or the show above is. Yes, it’s true that from every dozen people I’ve seen bring it up there is one person that genuinely is a fan, but the fact that we’re a fan enough of the culture to know about it and make jokes about it is enough to draw people together. There’s a reason why “this sounds like a bad comic book plot” is a quote that people use for fun, rather than something that comic fans use to target Spider-Man TAS: Because fans can acknowledge both the good and bad that comes from something and use both to further their enjoyment of the source material.

          • Sofie Liv

            That’s pretty well said.

          • Jonathan Campbell

            @Muthsarah, @The Man in Black

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5tkAUNFa4

          • Sofie Liv

            Honestly?
            It’s a pretty old bad show now, it’s an oddity and just doesn’t matter. At best its worth a good laugh because of how ridicoules it is.

            I’m amused by its exsistence and that’s it… there is litterately no reason to get mad about this any longer. It’s old news, it’s part of history.
            Did Nintendo change course and started to design games based on the show?… no.
            So it doesn’t matter.

            It is a shame though, that no one ever took the time to make a better animated show based on the Zelda franchise, I would love to see that.
            I would actually kind of like it to be an anime rather than a western cartoon because well.. Zelda is a japaneese franchises and it feels japaneese, to see an epic anime based around it or one of the games, would be quite something to look at i’m sure.

            Am I angry it hasn’t happened…. yet? .. No not really. A little dissapointed maybe.
            But that’s just because I am a spoiled brat that likes something and want more of it. And the Zelda franchise is a Gaming franchise first and foremost and is still going strong with a new game coming out every second to third year. That’s ridicoules!
            And they are even big enough that they got to have a huge classical concert with arrangments of their biggest numbers.
            This i the best number on that official CD which had a lot of good stuff on it btw <_<
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THdRs7grqhE

          • Jonathan Campbell

            “Feels kinda like the way Dungeons & Dragons were treated in the early 80s: every movie about it felt like it was written and produced by people who didn’t actually know what the attraction was, just read a one page abstract about the phenomenon, and write a boilerplate story about it. Usually about how it’s the last stop to Satanism. Like those commercials some years back implying that if you smoked pot, you were likely to shoot your friend in the face. Total logical disconnect. And a message driven from a pre-established agenda, based wholly on ignorance and panic.”

            Post an old cartoon clip and suddenly we’re talking about drugs, Satanism and shooting your friend in the face.

            Because….The Internet.

            When this show was made “shooting swords, triforces and Pig-Ganon” was pretty much the sum of the story. Like the Super Mario cartoon (which was fun- I stand by it) it was just a cartoon based off of something that had far more gameplay than story or plot. Most of the stuff you are complaining about it probably less to do with the creators not knowing the source material, and more to do with the source material amounting to “save the Princess from the bad guy- by the way, you’re a mute.” From my understanding, it wasn’t until Ocarina of Time that serious storytelling started to become a feature of the series.

            I don’t think you can accuse the producers of disrespecting the game except that they thought the game would make a good cartoon series in the first place when at that point it only had a handful of characters none of whom had a great deal of personality, and not much of a story either. The cartoon was made because LoZ was popular, not because it actually had anything that suggested it would make a good cartoon series without some serious overhaul.

            “Excuuuussseee….Me, Princess” is the main thing anyone remembers and is the most nostalgic thing about it, but I don’t think anyone is especially angry over the shows existence. Most of us were far too young to care too much, even if we knew it was nothing like the games (and I say that even as someone who has yet to play a Zelda game).

          • Guest

            The Man in Black, Muthsarah

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5tkAUNFa4

  • danbreunig

    Did I just see Sofie have a “Get off my lawn!” moment?
    Maybe that cosplay as Sofie from Howl’s Moving Castle is starting to dig in deeply…

    I suspected that I was being followed by a set of big blue diabetes-inducing eyes from across the big pond. Now I know. 0_0
    And no, I don’t know what Voldemort-level unspeakable games you hint at.

    Oh, and welcome back after a whole whopping two weeks. I hope all is well.

    • Sofie Liv

      It’s just an amazing thing, when I go to a con and meet a young teen around.. what 16 or something, looking at the super nintendo on display that has a mario game in it, and tells me he has never ever seen one or played on one before.
      This is for real, that’s how quick gaming has developed. I played on Super nintendo when I was a kid, both at school and at some of my friends house, I got lots of happy memories playing Super Mario 3 on that thing… yet well, here we are. The people whom are now teens and young… just don’t know….

      And believe me, if I had not brought that game up, someone would have, pointed them out to me, that abormination which are the Zelda titles released exclusively for the CD-I consol. “The faces of Evil.” “Wand of Gamelon.” and “Zeldas adventures.”
      Zeldas Adventures even kind of stands out as being the one Zelda game where you play AS Zelda herself, which would not be possible again until the Super Smash brother series or Hyrule warriors.
      But believe me it’s an abormation, you don’t need ot look at the screen shot of it for more than a second to know why that is.

      Thanks, well you know… life happens… and games I need to play… I actually play games to make these videos and it takes a little while longer than just watching a movie.

      • Jonathan Campbell

        I had a Nintendo NES, and it was the greatest thing ever.

        I too loved playing Super Mario 3, though I don’t have many memories- I’m just too old to remember.

      • danbreunig

        heh, that’s alright. I wouldn’t know a good Legend Of Zelda game from a bad one because I’ve never played one. No kidding, I’ve never seen anyone else in action playing one either–Mario and Luigi were much more on my radar than Link and Zelda. I was a little kid when the game made its 80s debut–I kept hearing ads for this thing out there called “The Legend Of Zelda”–and it just confused the crap out of me, because the only fictional Zelda I’ve heard of back then was this one (thank you, obsolete fan sites):

        http://www.fab1.net/t-hawks/terrahawks.html

        Oh, I was just kidding about turning into Sofie, Sofie. Uh erm, hm…

        • I was always a Sony kid, most of the Zeldas and Marios slipped past me. I did play Mario Sunshine on GameCube a long time ago, it was pretty good, and Spirit Tracks on DS, of course.

          • danbreunig

            I’ve at least tried a few levels of the original SNES Super Mario Bros., and the 3D game in the 90s. The one game that still hooks me after all these years? DOOM. Also made it through Quake 2.

    • Two weeks? Felt like a millenia.
      And I’d bet seed look good with silver hair.

      • danbreunig

        And cosplaying as MLP’s Silver Spoon!

  • Muthsarah

    LttP > OoT

    Games are games, not movies. Graphics are merely enhancements to the interface. “3D” is an illusion. How a game controls, and how it is paced, ultimately means far more to me than even photo-realistic graphics. LttP is the fastest, smoothest, most direct, least-clunky of the Zelda games. No difficult camera angles. No frustrating platform elements. Fast fast FAST and simple gameplay that puts you and keeps you in total control of the whole experience, not just until you reach the next checkpoint/”cinema scene”. Granted, I’ve been a sucker for a good “cinema scene” since I was wee, but it’s rare that any of them age well. Dialogue and plot twists that stunned me as a kid are “cute” at best after seeing the films the games ripped them off of. Stories themselves are mere supplements to the gameplay, something to act as a motivation, make the player better identify with the little character they’re controlling.

    Now, obviously, if a game’s story is enjoyable to you, great. But you’re still playing a game. The gameplay, the actual interactions between your brain, eyes, fingers, and the game remain at the core of anything. OoT and MM got easy once I beat ’em a couple of times, but the controls in certain parts sometimes still frustrate me. Screens are a fundamentally 2D interface, so the most natural way to interact when you’re playing a game on a screen is if it’s made to be as 2D as possible. For 3D to EVER feel that natural, we’d need a Holodeck.

    ….I said RIGHT before you actually started to talk about this game. Looks like an N64 LttP. Very Harvest Moon.

    So…another game I’d love to try. If only I didn’t have to buy a whole system first….

    • Sofie Liv

      I know my mind is probably clouded due to sheer nostalgia because of this but.
      The first consol I actually owned was a n64 I got as a kid, i got Ocarina of time and well, being a fantasy nut already back then… mind…. blown…

      I just remember it as this huge exsperiences and I spend such a long time on that game… especially because, I couldn’t understand a single world english yet.
      Seriously, try playing those games, Zelda or Pokemon, not being able to speak english! It was like a freaking revelation when I tried the same games again as an adult and went. “WOAAAH?! They actually TELL me what to do? I don’t have to walk around like a blind idiot?!?!? Woah!”

      As a kid, it was one of my friends whom was half American and thus understood english whom helped me get through a lot of these levels, he would come to my house and explain to me what I needed to do next because I didn’t know, I couldn’t tell what the game told me, because I didn’t understand english lol XD

      Well, you don’t need to buy a whole system… just a 3DS, which is a handheld consol, and if you like the old classic Zelda games so much. Well.. they are available for the 3DS on the nintendo e-shop for very little money.
      No really, you can get the entire original triology plus some of the old game boy games downloaded directly to the handheld. It’s pretty cool, I like it.

      • Muthsarah

        “I just remember it as this huge exsperiences and I spend such a long time on that game… especially because, I couldn’t understand a single world english yet. Seriously, try playing those games, Zelda or Pokemon, not being able to speak english!”

        I imagine that would only have made the owl even more annoying for you than it was for me. Also, I hope you didn’t pattern your early English off of the wordings of thouest own Deku Tree. Verily.

        “It was like a freaking revelation when I tried the same games again as an adult and went. “WOAAAH?! They actually TELL me what to do? I don’t have to walk around like a blind idiot?!?!? Woah!””

        Walking around a game like a blind idiot is a perk (also known as “exploring”), compared with a game that tells you exactly where you are supposed to go, and gives you really obvious hints (without you even asking for them) of what you’re supposed to do while there. Or are you backing off of your praise of free-roaming games already?

        • Sofie Liv

          Dude, there’s a huge difference between open world exploration by design where you can decide HOW to progress all the time.
          Or being stuck in a game not being able to progress at all because you don’t know how.

          I’m currently playing fantasy life which is all about the open world exploration and building up your classes the way you wish to do, the key factor is though I always know what options there are available to me for further progression, there’s a way for me to progress.
          When I first played pokemon Silver and was just stuck I could… grind. But ultimately I could not progress without help from my friend, I was stuck and could not move further even though I wanted to, THAT is the big difference here.

          And well, a game that keeps telling you what to do with words instead of just making it obvious. (Which can be done, just look at journey.)
          … That’s just bad game design… And yeah. oh god “Fi.” in Skyward sword, I like you as a character and all, but god you such as a mechanic -_-;

          • Muthsarah

            “Dude, there’s a huge difference between open world exploration by design where you can decide HOW to progress all the time.
            Or being stuck in a game not being able to progress at all because you don’t know how.”

            Sure. The latter is basically every adventure/puzzle game of the 1980s (well, actually they kinda both are). They’re frustrating, sure, but they were a kind of frustrating that required a lot of abstract thinking, from a time when games were so short due to memory limitations that they HAD to be difficult. They’re good for a challenge, but the kind of challenge that doesn’t come down to perfect timing and co-ordination, but to patience, and which can be very, VERY rewarding once you figure out what to do. Maybe that’s not so rewarding for a kid, but I’m finding I enjoy those more as I get older, so I can understand what those hardcore 80s gamers were going on about even back when I myself was a kid.

            Also, did your frustrations with these games motivate you to learn English? Silver lining. 🙂

            EDIT: Have you played the original Zelda? That’d be a great challenge for you, especially if you don’t already know where the dungeons and item shops are. It’s a small game (but one that could take weeks of dedicated play to beat for the first time) with a small world and small dungeons, simple gameplay that should be very familiar to you already, but one that requires you to learn how to beat each enemy type without getting hit too much (and maybe one hour of grinding to get a certain item), and which isn’t afraid to kill you in ten seconds. But you have to find everything yourself. Again, small world, but since the game’s not afraid to be vicious, even a short stroll can be intimidating.