Gene Roddenberry’s Andromeda, AKA Star Trek: Voyager with Captain Hercules

The start of the 21st Century brought us a series which, by all rights, should have become a classic. That series was Gene Roddenberry’s Andromeda, which ran in syndication from 2000-2005.

The show was based on notes left behind by Star Trek creator Roddenberry. It focuses on a spaceship captain in the far distant future named Dylan Hunt whose ship, the artificially intelligent Andromeda Ascendant, gets caught on the outskirts of a black hole just as a war erupts involving his Federation-esque interplanetary society the Systems Commonwealth. The ship’s proximity to the black hole causes Hunt to be frozen in time for the next 300 years, until a crew of mercenaries then pulls the ship away from the black hole, reviving Hunt. It’s a rude awakening, however, as he realizes that not only are his rescuers intending to loot his ship, but the Commonwealth has fallen during his long nap. Eventually, he recruits said mercenaries to help him restore it.

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Roddenberry’s name was added to the title to make it more viable for TV, but Andromeda wouldn’t become a reality until Kevin Sorbo, then hot off the success of playing the title character in Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, agreed to play Hunt and also serve as one of the show’s producers.

The show gained more attention when Robert Hewitt Wolfe was hired on as the show’s main writer. Wolfe first gained fame by writing the classic Star Trek: The Next Generation episode “A Fistful of Datas”. He then became a writer for Deep Space Nine until the end of that show’s fifth season.

Not surprisingly, there were lots of comparisons to Star Trek prior to the show’s premiere. Sorbo, in particular, seemed eager to compare Hunt to Captain Kirk. Perhaps this was an omen for how the show would end up sucking big time.

The show’s first two episodes, “Under the Night” and “An Affirming Flame”, do an okay job of setting things into motion. In these episodes, Hunt and his ship’s AI, represented by a holographic avatar (Lexa Doig), are ambushed by a race called the Nietzscheans, who are an offshoot of humans in the same way that Romulans are an offshoot of Vulcans. Hunt’s crew is evacuated and/or killed, and he has to contend with his traitorous Nietzschean First Officer Rhade (Steve Bacic). Hunt manages to kill him just before he and the ship are frozen in time.

Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, AKA Star Trek: Voyager with Captain Hercules

Jumping forward 300 years, a ship captained by Beka Valentine (Lisa Ryder) is preparing to pull the Andromeda out of the black hole’s rim at the request of the unlikeable Gerentex (John Tench). Beka and her crew, spiritual Rev Bem (Brent Stait), bubbly Trance Gemini (Laura Bertram), and sarcastic engineer Seamus Harper (Gordon Michael Woolvett) manage to get onboard the Andromeda. And wouldn’t you know it, they come upon Hunt, who intends to hold onto his ship.

Gerentex counters by revealing that he stowed a group of Nietzschean hunters aboard, led by Tyr Anasazi (Keith Hamilton Cobb). As they attempt to take the ship from Hunt, Beka and her crew begin to realize that Gerentex is too crazy for even them to deal with. When Gerentex attempts to send them all back into the black hole, Beka, Tyr and the others agree to join forces with Hunt to defeat him.

“Flame” ends with Hunt declaring his intention to restore the Commonwealth, and asking Beka, Tyr, and the others to help him on his mission. They agree, on the condition that they remain on a first-name basis.

Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, AKA Star Trek: Voyager with Captain Hercules

The remaining episodes of the first season were not great by any means, but the moments of discontent and conflict between Hunt, Tyr, and Beka provided some entertainment. It was this occasional tension which allowed us to forgive clichéd-filled episodes such as “To Loose the Fateful Lightning” (in which annoying children attempt to take over the ship) and “Star-Crossed” (the inevitable “Andromeda falls in love with another AI” tale).

The first season finale, “Its Hour Come ‘Round at Last”, was also entertaining. That episode involved Andromeda going berserk and sending the crew into a fight with Rev Bem’s people, the Magog. The season ended with the ship crippled, Tyr and Harper captured by the Magog, Rev going off to find them, and the rest of the crew down for the count.

The second season premiered with “The Widening Gyre”, in which the crew is reunited and escapes, but not before Hunt uses a nova bomb, which is powerful enough to destroy a sun, on the Magog World Ship, a massive spacecraft that’s actually made up of interconnected planets. This damages the ship, but doesn’t destroy it, and as Hunt notes, this makes a restored Commonwealth all the more necessary in order to combat it.

Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, AKA Star Trek: Voyager with Captain Hercules

Alas, all of this development was rendered moot afterward. This is because, like Star Trek: Voyager, Andromeda basically jettisoned its premise by its second season and was content with simply being an action show, with an ineffectual captain to boot.

It was during this season that Tribune Entertainment, which distributed the show, decided to give Wolfe his pink slip. Sorbo personally explained that this was because Wolfe’s scripts were too intelligent. He also said the show would become more episodic, claiming that this was closer to Roddenberry’s original vision. Also, to better ensure that the show would be a copy of the original Star Trek series, Sorbo announced that Hunt would be getting more love interests, citing how Kirk always had a love interest. (Never mind that Kirk-as-ladies-man was just one aspect of his character, and not the whole reason he was such a heroic figure.)

Coincidentally, Brent Stait left the series during the middle of the second season, because he was developing an allergic reaction to the Magog makeup he was wearing.

Sadly, fans’ fears that the show would go south after Wolfe’s departure proved correct, as the show became a mindless hour of action each week. For example, the second season episode “Lava and Rockets” had Hunt pretending to be Kirk by engaging in an arbitrary romance. But that’s where the Kirk similarity ends, as Hunt does nothing heroic in that story, unless you consider hijacking innocent vessels heroic. In addition (and here’s where the comparison to Janeway comes in), Hunt’s crew clearly views the man as a god. Though I guess at least that makes Hunt different than Hercules, who was half-god.

A worse offender is the later episode “The Things We Cannot Change”, in which Hunt is rendered unconscious, but in his mind he’s living a happy family life. In other words, this episode was basically the great TNG episode “The Inner Light”, but with none of the power and nuance of that tour de force.

Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, AKA Star Trek: Voyager with Captain Hercules

Oh, and the original premise of rebuilding the Commonwealth was quickly resolved in the second season finale “Tunnel at the End of the Light”, in which a new Commonwealth is formed and Hunt turns down the offer to lead it, because it would be too much work and prevent him from sleeping with lots of women. We also get new aliens attacking our heroes with, you guessed it, no consequences for the rest of the series.

Sure, there was still the occasional mention of this new Commonwealth, as well as that big-ass Magog ship. But that became just as much of a footnote as showing Voyager struggling to survive, because we can’t allow anything to overshadow heroics such as blowing up crap and bedding women, can we?

The emphasis on how awesome Dylan Hunt is led Keith Hamilton Cobb to leave the show after its third season, even though Tyr would later return to randomly sleep with Beka and then randomly get killed. In his place, we got the return of Steve Bacic as a descendant of Rhade.

Not surprisingly, the show, again like Voyager, lost viewers with each passing season. In fact, the show was originally supposed to end with its fourth season finale “The Dissonant Interval”. That story proved that Hunt was indeed Captain Hercules, when it was revealed that his father was a god-like being while his mother was mortal (even Janeway couldn’t make that claim). Also in this episode, most of the characters are supposedly killed off, but because of a deal Tribune made with the SyFy Channel, the show inexplicably got a fifth season in which, surprise, the crew was still alive.

I’d go into what happened in the show’s final season, but it’s just as nonsensical as the previous three years. Not that it mattered much, since most viewers gave up on the show by this point anyway.

Regarding the other cast members, the only one who managed to stick out was Cobb, because (for the first season, anyway) he played the only character willing to stand up to Hunt. One could call him a cross between Worf (in that he’s a warrior) and Garak (in that he has his own mysterious agenda). So it’s not surprising that Cobb elected to jump ship once he realized that his character was starting to become as much of a Hunt-worshipper as the rest of the crew.

Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, AKA Star Trek: Voyager with Captain Hercules

In fairness, the seeds of this Dylan-worship were sown from the beginning, when it was revealed that Andromeda herself was in love with Dylan. What she sees in him, I don’t know, as he’s downright rude to her on plenty of occasions.

Needless to say, none of the other cast members were particularly noteworthy. I mean, even Voyager had Robert Picardo’s Doctor and Jeri Ryan’s Seven of Nine to occasionally give things a bit of a spark. Speaking of Seven, this series’ version of her is the title character, in that she wore revealing clothing, but unlike Seven, didn’t have much personality.

Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, AKA Star Trek: Voyager with Captain Hercules

After Andromeda was put out of its misery (and ours), Sorbo changed career directions by starring in Christian-based movies, such as God’s Not Dead. Fine, but what irks me is that he eventually said that removing Wolfe from the show was a mistake, which begs the question of why he championed it so much when it originally occurred. In recent years, Sorbo has also claimed that Hollywood stopped giving him roles because he’s a Christian, and the fact that he’s simply a lousy actor has nothing to do with it.

To draw another Voyager comparison, the few fans Andromeda still has claim that the show was good for what it was. But this excuse raises the question of why the show would go through all the trouble of establishing a unique premise if said premise was just going to be tossed out and replaced with never-ending emphasis on explosions, nonsensical adventure, and how awesome the captain is.

It’s sad that the first science fiction series to premiere at the turn of the millennium held such promise, but eventually became something only Sorbo could love.

Rob Kirchgassner

Rob is a blogger, critic, and author of suspense novels, including the new thriller Past the Breaking Point, available now from Amazon.

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  • Bouncy X

    the first time i saw Jason X, this show jumped to my mind. partly because two of actresses from it were in the movie but also, it looked and felt just like that show. terrible acting, terrible production values that look like they were made for tv and terrible music. Andromeda can be forgiven, it was a canadian sci-fi series made in the early 2000s….it had nowhere but down to go. but Jason X…my god….how can a movie be THAT bad and still make it to theaters?

    anyway that was my pointless rant. 🙂

    • John Connor

      Hi, Bouncy X. I recognize you because we frequent the same places. I’ve pointed this out to you in the past.

      I’ve yet to see Jason X, but I’ve seen the theatrical trailer (with that Drowning Pool song) with the two actresses (Ryder and Doig). I did turn to Syfy one night and Jason X was playing and I was a bit taken aback at how it looked so cheap, like it was meant to be a Syfy Channel Original Movie. And I did realize that it looked a lot like the Andromeda set. I think it may have been the same set and crew (and it is definitely shot in the same location) which is why they have the two actresses there. But that actually excites me even more to see Jason X. I loved Andromeda (though I only ever watched the first season on television).

      What I have noticed is that the Blu-ray color timing of Jason X is kinda cold and cheap looking whereas there’s a HDTV captured torrent out there of Jason X where the colors are nice and warm (red) compared to the cold blue on home video. I’ll be watching that HDTV capture first.

      Jason X is a film I’ve been greatly anticipating since its concept was announced back in the late ’90s. I’m expecting it to have that intentional cheesy effect, so that won’t surprise me one bit. It was always intended to be a Friday The 13th film in space. I almost don’t want to see the film because its probably better if it lives in my imagination like a present you never unwrap, holding great wonder until its ruined by opening it.

  • Chris Palmer

    Further Star Trek connection: Gordon Michael Woolvett had previously played Reb in the Canadian series “Deepwater Black” (AKA Mission Genesis) alongside Nicole DeBoer. Actually, with actors such as Bacic and Bertram, this plays more as “spot the D-lister”.

  • CaptainCalvinCat

    I loved this show – it wasn’t as bad as Rob says, that it was. Sure, it had it’s Kirkules moments, but – I take this concept (Kirkules in space, having fun adventures with a lot of camp) over “grim, gritty, super-realistic-boredom” every time.

    If you want to rip a show, that was really bad, a new one, I recommend “Stargate: Universe”. That is basically boring “crap floating in space”.

    • Thomas Stockel

      Oh, I have to disagree with you there. I thought Andromeda started out decent enough but became pure crap. I could see the writing on the wall in the first couple episodes of season three. I think Tyr had to be rescued twice?

      SGU, on the other hand, was what Stargate: Atlantis should have been but didn’t have the guts to follow through on. SGU was full of flawed, interesting characters who did not get along; I thought the cast was outstanding.

      • CaptainCalvinCat

        Interesting?
        The SGU characters?
        Sorry, I found them to be extremely bland and boring. Yeah, everyone has his own cross to bear, yeah, everybody is hating Rush, Rush is an asshole… please, that’s not Stargate.

        Andromeda on the other hand – well, I thought, it was a fun ride. ^^ SGU was everything BUT fun. At least to me.

        • Thomas Stockel

          I’m not sure we were watching the same show, because I thought there were plenty of interesting characters on SGU. And SG: Atlantis tried to be SG1 and that made it terminally boring, much the same way Voyager was simply a retread of TNG. At least SGU was trying to be different.

          As for Andromeda, I think the author hit the nail on the head. It started out with a decent premise and through one bad decision after another the show went south. I just think we have very different tastes and definitions as to what makes for good television. You were the one who liked Birds of Prey, right?

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Yeah, we watched the same show, allright.
            We just have different opinions on it – but we knew that, since I love NCIS, you hate it, I love Birds of Prey, you hate it. ^^
            However – in that case: I really would like to know, what characters in SGU would count as “interesting”. ^^

          • Thomas Stockel

            Hmmm. Let’s see:

            Dr. Rush: Total bastard super genius. While we’ve seen our fair share of them over the years (i.e. Gregory House) what made him different was he was surrounded by people who didn’t put up with his crap. People like…

            Colonel Everett Young: The man who did not want to be there. Where you had shows with the captain/commander being the elite or the best, Young so did not want the job. Sure, you could argue Ben Sisko was the same, but that changed in the pilot when he became Space Jesus.

            Eli Wallace: The “Wesley Crusher” of the show, Eli was far more realistic and in many ways the POV character for nerds everywhere. He even got realistically friend zoned by…

            Chloe Armstrong: Who became a potential alien super weapon in season two and more than simply the love interest of…

            Lt. Matthew Scott: …Who admittedly was pretty bland. But he was the commanding officer of…

            Master Sergeant Ronald Greer: Who was a fascinatingly angry man who punched…

            Colonel David Telford: Who had a great story of his own.

            And there was Ming Na Wa’s Camile Wray, who I liked a great deal on the show.

            Like you said, we like different things. Me, I like my characters a little grounded and realistic, I like a bit of conflict. When it comes to taste in television you are the anti-me.

          • SithSmurf

            I have to side with the good Captain here. I liked the few times when the SG-1 crew had internal conflict (generally, anyway), but I think there was a lot of room between -1 and -U, and I think they pushed a bit too far trying to be dark and gritty.

            If I wanted to tune in and see a bunch of people be miserable with and *at* each other, I’d congress on C-SPAN.

            To be fair, I only watched the first three episodes, and I have heard it got better as it went on. And, of course, different tastes for different folk.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Oh, I watched the whole damn first season, hoping it would be better.
            The result was, I fell asleep 5 times, 6 times I begged for the episode to stop, another 5 times I read a book, the rest I spent on the internet.

            And to me, it is a bad sign, when the guest starring RDA – aka Jack O’Neill – is saying something like “Maybe I should join your crew” and I’m not thinking “The hell you won’t, this would most likely kill the dynamic they have on that show” but “About frakking time you ask, Jack.”

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            A BIT of conflict is okay, Thomas – a bit of conflict you had in SG-1 and SG-Atlantis, too.
            You had the conflicting views of Jack “I mock and shoot things for a living” O’Neill vs. Daniel “I’m the friend of all living things” Jackson, who both have very strong morals and worldviews, it’s just that they sometimes clash and collide. That IS conflict.
            On Atlantis you had John “I’m O’Neill Version 2” Sheppard and Rodney “I know I’m a genius” McKay, who clashed and bantered – with that bringing conflict to the table.

            But on Universe? They hated each others guts and it goes so far that Rush was trying to frame Colonel Young for murder and after that was resolved Young tried to kill Rush by knocking him out and abandoning him on a frakking planet somewhere in the galaxy.

            See, there is conflict and then there is grade-a-dickery.
            SG-1 and SG-Atlantis had conflict, Universe had dickery.

            And sorry, those characters sound interesting on paper, but I saw that show, I fell asleep during that several times, which I never managed to do so on even the most boring episode of NCIS, Birds of Prey or SG-1 or SG-Us spiritual successor BSG.

            And don’t get me wrong, I like my characters A LITTLE grounded and realistic, too – but you have to stop, see and think, in which kind of show you are.

      • Moppet

        I have to agree with Thomas on this one I loved SGU despite any flaws I might have wished it didn’t have. For one, I really disliked the baby storyline (my baby isn’t dead it was sent back to that alien planet god put there for us!) and the ‘alien planet god might have put in our path or not’ bit in general. The Cloe is possessed by an alien and mutating thing could have been handled better as well. There were a lot of things that really bugged me about the show. Some of the Christian imagery was a bit odd throughout too, and that’s coming from someone that feels it can be done right, when Greer swears to god at Rush in the desert in an early episode, it works, but the creepy fanatical Christians on board that think God left them a planet come off as legitimately terrifying and I really couldn’t have been happier when most of them stayed on that planet (and later came back only to die on the ship how they died on the planet).

        Greer and Eli remain my favorite characters, and Wren developed into another of my favorites in the long run, even if I felt she was out of line a few times in the first season. Near the end of the second season they even seemed to bring some of the background characters like Park and Volker to the forefront for some great moments that shows they could have developed into full fledged scene stealers if the show had kept going.

        The second season seemed to try and make up for the things that really irked me, but it also had, “Well the alien god planet sent us back in a mysteriously in tact shuttle because the show really needed us to have a functional shuttle” moments that gave me a head ache.

        So when I say I love SGU, it’s really despite any flaws I personally find in the show. For the most part, my view of SGU is that it’s what Voyager should have been, but didn’t have the gumption to be. So I guess the only part I really disagree on is the comment on Atlantis. I liked Atlantis in its own right, even if it had flaws, but lets face it, every show has flaws. Some shows are just good enough that I enjoy them despite.

        The Christian presence in the show could have worked, but I really wish it had been used to address the fact that by this point near every God-like figure they’d run into had turned out to be an Alien or Ascended being of some sort. That should do something to ‘some’ people’s beliefs, alongside people that maintain belief, some even justifying it, despite so much bombardment of belief systems in general. Instead it was either decent, with people like Greer believing, but still doing what needs to be done, or just plain scary with people that came off like fanatics.

        Regardless of decent or scary, neither image resulted in dull, boring or bland characters, as far as those went, but then you had people like Rush, Wren, Eli and more that were far from dull or boring in their own right, very interesting characters. Eli could easily have just been another nerd character done badly, but the show allows him room to grow and moments that show he’s more than that in the first place.

        Mind I get that my ideas of SGU’s flaws, and views of it in general, are all personal taste. I could talk about the show for hours, it does so much right despite anything ” I ” might think of as wrong.

  • Adam Bomb 1701

    Kevin Sorbo’s character’s name and the “MacGuffin” of him being suspended in time were lifted off Gene Roddenberry’s two mid-1970’s unsold pilots, “Genesis II” and “Planet Earth”. Hunt was played by Alex Cord and John Saxon, respectively. IIRC, in “Genesis II” (I haven’t seen either in decades) Cord’s Hunt was a former astronaut who was put in suspended animation, and revived two or three centuries later, after the last great cataclysm almost destroyed mankind. In “Planet Earth” (which was first written as an episode of “Genesis II”), Saxon’s Hunt got involved with a primitive female dominated society, led by Diana Muldaur.

  • From what I heard about the behind the scenes, the reason Andromeda jumped the shark was because Kevin Sorbo’s ego got too damn big and believed it should be all about his character.

  • JD

    So how does this show compare to Farscape?
    Which in many ways is the same premise.

    • Thomas Stockel

      How the heck are the two premises the same, other than a bunch of guys flying around on a ship?

      • CaptainCalvinCat

        Well, it might be not THE SAME premise, but it has some similarities – but then, it shares a similarity with “Buck Rogers in the 25th Century”.

        And JD, if you ask me – both shows (Farscape / Andromeda) are good in their own right.

        • JD

          I liked both, but never got to see the last season of andromeda.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            The last season was a bit of a strange idea, but all in all it was pretty decent.

      • JD

        both are “living” ships, main character is time traveled/warped into his situation with a diverse group of aliens?

        • Thomas Stockel

          And outside of that (which is a stretch, seeing as two of the “aliens” on Andromeda are human) the shows couldn’t be more different, from the setting, to the technology, to the bad guys, to the motivation of the main character, etc.

          The tone of the two series couldn’t have been more different. And John Crichton is imperfect, while Dylan Hunt is essentially Space Hercules. Space Hercules wants to reform the Commonwealth while John just wants to get home, then wants to keep the secret of wormholes out of the hands of two oppressive space empires. I could probably devote two thousand words to how superior Farscape was to Andromeda but instead I suggest you watch Farscape instead.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Sorry, Dylan is imperfect, too – he has his flaws. And I wouldn’t say that Farscape is superiour to Andromeda – both shows have its merits, and both shows have its flaws.
            With Farscape I hate the intro-music, because to me it was migraine inducing, a character farting methane is something I would put in the “YIKES”-column and the idea that, in the beginning, everyone is hating each others guts is – well, to me it is not that appealing.

            Compare that to Andromeda – he only real big flaw is the big ego of Kevin Sorbo.

          • ThatAwesomeTerr

            How is Dylan imperfect? Other posters are right when they say Sorbo was basically Hercules in space. Hercules was a hybrid (Zeus, a god, was his father). Dylan Hunt was half-Vedran, ancient near-omnipotent species virtually revered as god-like– or at least holy– entities in the Andromeda universe.

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Dylan is imperfect, because not all choices he made, were basically good ones – if that doesn’t make him imperfect, what does?

  • Cristiona

    Aw, man. Those were some great names in the original premise. I mean, I liked the “Nietzscheans”, but Magog? That’s quality, Biblical throwback stuff there.

  • Gallen_Dugall

    I remember the pilot episode of Andromeda. It was bad. I watched it twice and still don’t know exactly what happened and don’t much care.
    Science Fiction on television is more miss than hit.
    TOS finished with about half of its episodes worth watching. TNG hit a lot of incredible highs and amazing lows but so much blandness and filler that less than half the episodes are objectively worth watching. SG1 had season three. SG Atlantis had David Hewlett, hey it was watchable when he was on screen. Firefly existed. Farscape was presumably good which I will never know because of Ben Browder.
    The problem with all science fiction on TV, also why the SyFy channel just realized that they don’t have any actual science fiction programming, is that Science Fiction is hard, it’s thought provoking. Fantasy is easy, it doesn’t have to make sense or maintain an internal logic. So all Science Fiction becomes Science Fantasy out of laziness and bad writing.
    The problem with Science Fantasy is that it has no real rules. It’s the Mary Sue of genres. It just lurches around from one plot contrivance to the next so that when a producer or writer wants to “take things in a new direction” no one can use the established rules of the setting to reign them in. As a result these shows wander all over the place with little rhyme or reason.

    • CaptainCalvinCat

      What do you mean, you don’t know exactly what happened?
      Simple – Commonwealth Space Ship gets into a trap, the XO turns on the captain, tries to kill him – the captain uses the time-dialation, that is happening in the near of a black hole, to kill the XO, then he gets frozen in time.
      Quick cut – 300 years in the future.
      The Commonwealth is gone, the situation is grim and dire. A ragtag group of Scavengers wants to get the Andromeda Ascendant – said space ship – and manages to get it out of the grips of that black hole.
      Aboard the Andromeda, time starts to go on normal, so the Captain is alive again.
      The scavengers want to take the Andromeda, but the captain doesn’t want that, so he fights the scavengers.
      The employer of the scavengers activates a group of soldiers, who shall ensure, that the captain is killed.
      One member of the Scavengers was okay with just stealing the ship, but not take it away from a person, who actually is willing to defend himself and stand his ground – so she speaks up about it and gets shot (and presumably killed) for her trouble. This is causing the other scavengers to think about, where their loyalties lie.
      The Captain comes to help, because he saw Trance (that’s the purple girl), getting killed because she wanted to help him.

      So their employer is taking the engineer hostage and wants to shove the Andromeda back into the black hole, because he he cannot have it, no one shall.
      They manage to escape, get Gerentex (that’s the employer) and save Harper (that’s the engineer), Trance lives, Dylan is now a stranger in a strange world.

      Not exactly rocket-science. ^^

      I fail to see, why this would be bad, though.

      SG-1 and SG-A were both awesome shows, if you ask me – it had the pacing, the humour, the “I know, it isn’t possible – but we’re having much fun here”, it even had internal logic.

      Concerning Fantasy – tell “it does not have to make sense or maintain an internal logic” to a Tolkien-Fan, he will hunt you out of town. Sure, if you are looking at Fantasy just superficially, you can say “Hey, it is just elves and orks and knights and princesses and all of that is happening in a sort of medieval world” – but with that superficiality you could also argue, that Sci-Fi is just space-ships and aliens and guns and rockets and warp-drive, crimestories are just murder and detectives and private-eyes and either “you’re just a loose canon” or “I want the truth”-“You cannot handle the truth!”

      There is more to all, than meets the eye. All of those concepts can be thought-provoking and all of those concepts can just be pretty bland and bleh.
      And basically it boils down to personal preference – I love the more casual, more humouresque ways, that Andromeda, SG-1, SG-A, Firefly were done, I hate the more grim, gritty stuff, like SG-U, where – as I’m always happy to point out, everyone was hating each others guts, no one was seeing the wonders, that they could’ve explored. It was all boring drama. I wouldn’t call that “thought-provoking”.

    • Soul Stälker

      Just because you’ve watched an episode twice and didn’t show the capacity to comprehend what happened doesn’t mean the episode was bad.

  • Groucho Marxist

    An almost never-mentioned show, “Earth: Final Conflict,” to which Gene Roddenberry’s name was also attached, had similar problems to Andromeda. The first season was decent enough, and had a lot of potential, then, in the second season, the producers replaced the leading actor with a pretty boy who couldn’t act his way out of a paper bag, turned the show into mindless blow-’em-up action shlock, and it was downhill from there. I stuck with it till mid-third season.

    I think much of the criticism of Andromeda is coloured by the awfulness that was seasons 3 to 5. Honestly, the first couple seasons weren’t that bad, had their interesting moments, and certainly had potential to keep improving (the first half of the second season was an improvement on the first season). Wolfe was fired around mid-second season, and the second half of the season saw a steady decline in quality. The third season was an utter travesty. I gave up on the show after about the third episode. I have never in my life seen the quality of a show decline as happened to Andromeda (It fell off a cliff).

    Sorbo is usually blamed for the failure of Andromeda, and rightfully so, in my opinion. Given his recent comments, it’s obvious he isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. Giving him any kind of control of anything, especially a science fiction show, a genre about which obviously he knows nothing, is inexplicable.

  • Dean Vukovic

    This show was great but money become the issue as production company was becoming broke and eventually went in bankropt so they completely destroyed season 5 and once hewitt left the show was too much about only dylan hunt and hewitt didn’t want that so he left and they should do stuff like real war between system commonwealth and megaa, but like I saud money was a big issue. There is stories which I am not sure if they are true but they want to reboot this show with different actors…

  • Any fan of the series knows Harper was easily the consistent best thing about it. But if you don’t get that, it’s not hard to see how you didn’t get the rest of the series. This was basically a giant romp of sci-fi adventure, operatic, wildly ambitious and willing to buck the emerging trend of sticking to one story (which eventually killed Battlestar Galactica) and ignoring the greater potential of the world it built. I loved (and still love) Tyr as much as the next fan, but his departure was a great moment in the series that would never have happened if the supposed chaos behind the scenes never happened. Sometimes change is a good thing. If Next Generation hadn’t changed, Star Trek as we know it wouldn’t exist. If Deep Space Nine hadn’t changed, Star Trek would be missing that crucial cult-within-a-cult that helped it survive the onslaught of new sci-fi favorites that syphoned interest from the fans.
    What happened to Andromeda is simple: Its fans got wind of stuff that was otherwise irrelevant to the actual experience. They saw how the sausage was made. Given the J. Michael Straczynski effect, everyone assumed they knew how this sort of thing was supposed to happen. But one model doesn’t fit all. And then everyone agreed that Andromeda was sunk, the reputation set in, and here you are regurgitating the same things everyone said a decade ago. In the end, Andromeda is what the original Battlestar Galactica tried to be, a swashbuckling space adventure with a grand arc.
    Let’s put it this way: If someone rebooted Andromeda, they’d have a lot more to work with. If nothing else, that sounds plenty good to me. As for me, I continue to affirm the mantra: Trust in the Harper, the Harper is good.

  • mamba

    Can’t blame Lexi for the lack of personality…in case you forgot, the AI was actually 3 personalities, and they did fight on occasion, so you might be thinking of the bland one on purpose:

    1) The AI that is the screen. This is the core 100% business military operating system for the ship. In this version, she’s basically a talking readout on a monitor on purpose. Expect no personality here because it’s not a part of her.

    2) The holographic AI: This is the AI with a sense of autonomy…the personnel watcher if you will. It has more experience dealing with people and thus had a LITTLE more emotion and extra interests, but was still basically 50/50 pure business and “crew”.

    3) The robotic avatar: This was the AI made flesh, and thus the most rounded version (after a short while anyway). This is the one to compare when dealing with Lexi’s personality, and I saw the full range personally…fighter, lover, fear, joy, disgust, ego…it’s all there.

    So maybe you were thinking of the first 2? 🙂

    • Tony

      I think Rob meant was that Lexa (not Lexi) can’t act worth shit!

  • srichey321

    Actually a decent, sci-fi show for the first couple of season. Classic behind the scenes tragedy in that Sorbo couldn’t get out of the way of his own ego.

  • wellnow

    This is the worst piece of crap I’ve ever seen but I can’t stop watching it. I hate sorbo.

  • Janet Aime

    What a scathing of review of two of my favorite shows. I am a diehard sifi fan and suspension of disbelief is obviously necessary to take anything scifi seriously. I love all the characters on both shows. Yes, the plots can be somewhat shallow but the technology envisioned is endlessly interesting and look at Dylan and Tyr….mmmmmmm yummy! Beka and Romy too if you’re a guy. If you wanna take apart a show why not start with the absolutely horrible new one called Expanse. Yuck. Not one thing appealing in that piece of crap!

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    Andromeda is NOTHING like voyager.