showbanner-7

VIDEO: Elementary “Pilot”

We’re sorry...

This video is no longer available due to the shutdown of Blip.tv.

BONUS! “Original Scene vs. Altered Scene”:

We’re sorry...

This video is no longer available due to the shutdown of Blip.tv.

Sofie takes a look at something she actually wishes didn’t exist: The U.S. version of the already highly popular BBC show Sherlock… now set in New York… with a female Watson… and called Elementary.

In the bonus video, watch an experiment where we take an actor from a TV show… and replace that actor with Sofie! For our first try, we exchange Lucy Liu for Sofie’s lovely face.

Scroll down to comment on this video...

You may also like...

  • MichaelANovelli

    Well, *I* like Elementary…

    • Sofie Liv

       Didn’t say it was bad, ”Sherlock” is just way better.

  • Jay_Bay

    Oh us Americans, always take something foreign and trying to make it our own…..wait

    • Sofie Liv

       he he he. Nope I don’t belong to you guys X)

      • John Wilson

        Only to the people of agony booth. And me…Jk:).

  • Richard Eriksson Hjelm

    I imagine that they made it into a Sherlock show so that it would have the breifest chance to get anywhere. Also at least you had some level of emotion instead of the actual actress who sounds like me after a test… I hate studying about goverment structure soooooooooo much!!!

    • Sofie Liv

      They made the show because some-thing else from the other side of the world was popular, and they thought it would be an easy hit, end of story -_-;

      A bit hard just standing there for yourself in a empty appartment doing this… direction sure is some-thing that helps, but I think I did a tiny bit better than Lucie Liu.. not that that is that hard, she’s a complete blank.

      • Thomas Stockel

         I heard the producers of Sherlock threatened to sue CBS over Elementary if they did not make some changes. Do you know anything about that, Sofie?

        • Sofie Liv

           I believe that is correct yes.. but it was a hard thing to do since, Sherlock Holmes is actually a public domain story, thus you don’t need any rights to just go ahead and make what-ever interpretation of him or stuff him in what-ever you want. (which probably helps a lot in the regard of Holmes being the most used fictional character ever.)

          So yeah.. there was no deals with BBC at all, it was just them going. “WE WANNA DO THAT TO!” And then just do it since Sherlock Holmes as a character is public domain.. :/

          And the BBC went a bit. “You gotta be kidding me.. Dude no! if this show is a copy of ours, we are going to sew you!” so yeah.. that’s true.. and that’s probably also why John Watson became Joan Watson, why there’s no Mrs. Hudson, why the appartment looks not like a home but just.. an empty room with television screens in it, there isn’t even a violin.. on the other hand it’s in later episodes revealed that Sherlock as bees up on the roof that he keeps (A touch I liked since that’s an actual reference to the books where Sherlock Holmes eventually retired to become a bee-keeper.)

          And I actually forgot all about that commossion until you brought it up.. damn.. should have said some-thing about that in the video.

          • FEnM

            “there isn’t even a violin…”

            Yes, there is.  It’s in the second episode.

            “on the other hand it’s in later episodes
            revealed that Sherlock as bees up on the roof that he keeps”

            We see them in the pilot, actually.

  • maybe Sherlock can have an episode one day where our hero meets a modern day Hercule Poirot. I’ve always wondered what would happen if those two ran into each other, lol:)

    • Well you do!!

      ……
      ………..
      *hides his copies of Mexican movie parodies*

      • Sofie Liv

         Oh you mexicans and your silly parodies ^^

  • Jonny Lee Miller as a drug addict? (Recovering but still) Holy shit, it’s Sick Boy as Sherlock! With Renton, Begbie, Spud, Tommy and Diane as the Irregulars! Except with cocaine and not heroin! Irvine Welsh, get on it!

    This did seem like CSI Sherlock to me, all it needed was the Who playing after he put down Holmes. As far as American adaptations of British works, it doesn’t look to bad (beats out their attempt at Men Behaving Badly by a mile!) but there are liberties, or maybe in the case of American shows, conservatives taken with the source material and just have it watered down to fit right in with the crowd. Seems alright, but I have to agree that BBC’s Sherlock is leaps and bounds ahead of it in terms of just what can be done to modernise a classic.

    Also, that was an interesting little experiment in the other vid there. I’ll forgive the lack of authenticity in terms of the accent because you can only do one other accent (No offence, in fact you’d blend in well in Glasgow! hehe) and you do eclipse Lucy Liu in terms of emotion and movement for sure. You seem to see her as a female Keanu Reeves. Apt comparison or a bit too insulting?

    • Jay_Bay

      I say…..very apt.  Especially in that clip.

      • danbreunig

        Speaking of apt comparisons…or actually freaky comparisons…in the remake clip at 4:40 I momentarily saw Sofie as Jim Morrison…  It’s just because of the dim light in the room.

        • Sofie Liv

           Well.. I thought it would be best to be actually very annoyed with Sherlock in that scene considering that he is in there because he smashed Joans car into another car, and even before than treated her very badly. So yeah.. now would be the time to be annoyed with him Miss Watson.. But Jim Morrison? No, I would make a bad villain actor, I’m just not the type X)

          And well Brewerman, for ones I saw a character, which I thought was well-written, a good example of how to genderbend some-one could be the exact example I needed! And then the actress spoils it.. that’s what made it so dissapointing to me, I have seen a couple of episodes forward, and there’s a lot of situations where I think. “For christs Sake Joan! this is a golden moment for you to be baffled, annoyed, smug.. ACT WOMAN!” .. just.. grrrr, I hate you Lucie Liu, I really do. Female Keanue Reeves? oh yeah, good comparison.

          • danbreunig

            “So yeah.. now would be the time to be annoyed with him Miss Watson.. But
            Jim Morrison? No, I would make a bad villain actor, I’m just not the
            type X)”

            Oh I didn’t really mean anything by it.  I was just pointing out something very technical in the video itself, with the way the dim light lit up your face and your hair suddenly looking brown with that scowl, right when you turned your head at that exact moment.  Or else, looked a little bit like the “Morrison Twins” from Albert’s WW review.

            Wait, this is all about the Sherlock Holmes universe, not the Doors.  Excuse me, I’ve been in a rather *musical mood* as of late 😉

            “No, I would make a bad villain actor, I’m just not the type”

            So did we just imagine Mirror Sofie?  Or Pia?

            I have to admit, I’m not as well-versed in the Sherlock Holmes universe/mythos as nearly everyone else here.  That fact that I know as much as I do about it while barely tapping into anything as a pure source (my formal introduction was a sampler collection of stories I read years ago), just shows how pervasive that universe is, like learning through cultural osmosis.  You just end up knowing so much of something because you’re exposed to the opinions, interpretations, synopses, analyses, views, references, tributes, and spoofs, more than to the subject matter itself.  (That’s how I learned about “1984”–not because I read it for a class, but because of all the hearsay about it that I heard and read years later–which made a lot more sense.) 

            So I’m not ignorant about the Holmes universe, just not fan enough to have a microscopic knowledge of it.  And having said that, I’m glad we have the series Sherlock and the two latest major films–these productions should last all of us for at least another generation. 

            So as far as Elementary goes…I can totally live without it, just like I can totally live without all the police/cop/detective/legal/medical shows we’re drowning in now over here.  It’s like we need a Nirvana for TV pretty soon (dang, another musical reference).

  • Alexa

    I think the show is good, just a bit sad that the character of Sherlock Holmes had to be modernized in order to be appreciated again. But don’t get me wrong its a wonderful love letter and adaptation of the character, and the only complaint I have is the characterization of Moriarty, who I just thought was way too over the top, but that’s is just a personal complaint, if it works for you, it works for you, just that it didn’t for me. 

    Also it felt like there was a lot of winking at the audience in places, but again maybe that is just me. 

    • Sofie Liv

       Sherlock had a lot of winking to Sherlock Holmes fans.. it’s a love written to Sherlock holmes by Sherlock Holmes fans, and if you yourself is a Sherlock Holmes fan, loving either the old movies or the books or both.. you’ll discover how that show is just littered with small references, visual call-backs and quos, it’s amazing how true that show stay to its source material, and Sherlock in a moden world really works this time around, making it feel like its own amazing thing.

      Well, I liked Moriarty as he was, he was a creepy and quite frankly scary son of a bitch, especially in the last episode, just… brrr.

      • Alexa

        The modernization doesn’t really offend me, since they make it work so very well, I was especially impressed with the Hound of Baskerville episode which was very creepy and well paced, and that scene with Holmes thinking and the imagery on the screen to show how his mind works was very entertaining. And I will admit its an important show that gives way to people getting into Sherlock Holmes. 

        I guess I am just so in love with the Granada television series with Jeremy Brett, and so used to the stories being in Victorian London, that it just feels a tad wrong for Sherlock to be modernized because I love the Victorian Era setting just as much as I love the mysteries and the character respectively. But again it is impressive that they made the modern setting work, and I will admit I love Benedict Cumberbatch as Holmes, he is great as Holmes and I am happy he is getting a big and wonderful career for his efforts.  On a final note with Moriarty I think the minute when he screamed doofus into Holmes’ face, I couldn’t take the character seriously, it just felt silly to me. I guess it is just a personal preference for me for villains to have a certain sense of subtlety and coolness to them, with the only exception to this rule being the Joker, because well its the Joker, he’s awesome. 

        • Sofie Liv

          Well… Think of it this way.. the Granada Series does not stop to exist because of this!

          In fact, it’s the complete other way around! because this show came around now, at this point in time, people whom wasn’t before the least bit interested in Sherlock Holmes have gone back and back-tracked, and have thus discovered the Granada Series! I did! it’s being dug back up to the surface because of the current popularity of sherlock, that’s why remakes when done at the prober time is a good thing! it’ll make newcomers dig up the older stuff, and we can all share and love the entire thing while celebrating the history of some-thing.
          And I think the Granada series is amazing and well.. I love Cumberbatch, and even though I first saw Brett after having seen Cumberbatch, to me he is “the real Sherlock Holmes.” he just is Sherlock Holmes! I truly do find his performance and over-all aura to be that good.

          As for. “Doofus.” honestly… that was a moment so well written that it made me feel stupid and it felt like he was yelling doofus at me.. and I did feel stupid.
          I mean bloody hell, the episode had all of us so fooled, I totally bought that Moriarty had magic computer codes on his phone and they mattered, Sherlock believed it, and we as an audience believed it with him. And then being told. “There was no codes!” it just made me go. “Well now I just feel stupid.” “Doofus!” .. no need to rub it in.. also.. shit he played me all this time, what do I do now? I as an audience member, felt the same confusion and sense of being tricked as Sherlock did.. that’s fucking fantastic. Just that turn around..

          And well, why did Moriarty use that word, and shout it as well? Well he was really annoyed, Moriarty like Sherlock just finds every-thing to be so incredible boring, and thought that finally, he had a distraction worthy of himself, he wanted to play with Sherlock.. and then Sherlock turned out to be such a dut falling for Moriarties trick, and that annoys Moriarty, he wanted Sherlock to be smarter than that, but now Sherlock turned out not to be that smart after all, to be a doofus in this situation.

          ****************

          “Isn’t it delightful Sherlock?” Moriarty asked him. “I am god in our world now, I
          decide whether you life or die!” he laughed as he tightened his grip in
          Sherlocks shirt. “I decide whether John lifes or die.. I decide
          every-thing!” he teased.

          “Just..” Sherlock panted trying not to sound to scared. “Get over with it!” he hissed.

          “But I am having fun.” Moriarty complained in a pout. “I took you and turned
          you into an ant Sherlock.” He made aware. “You are my ant now, he does
          it feel?” he asked shaking Sherlock lightly. “Maybe I really am god..”
          Moriarty wondered lightly. “I mean, I just took you Sherlock, and made
          you into an ant? Isn’t it amazing?” he asked. “Isn’t that an amazing magic trick?” Moriarty yawned, ever so deeply as he casually held Sherlock over the ledge.. and under them there was that buttomless pitt, Yet Moriarty didn’t seem like he could care less as he yawned, then he seemed annoyed, annoyed by this predicament, annoyed about having to be so bored in it. “This was dumb of me, taking my only real adversary and turn him into an ant, who came up with that idea?” he asked in a snort and a roll with his eyes. “I got so many ants! Coming running to me, please god, help me with my problem. I hate ants!” Moriarty hissed. “Well, Sherlock, I suppose only one thing left to do.” Slowly his fingers started to let loose of Sherlocks shirt.

          “Wait.. no.” Sherlock reached out for Moriarty. “You can’t let me fall! I can’t see what is down there!”

          Moriarty shook his head, looking slightly amused. “You’ve all-ready fallen Sherlock.” He told and then let go, so Sherlock fell backwards, down into the darkness where there was nothing.. nothing at all.

          • Alexa

            I have to admit I did enjoy Moffat’s interpretation of The Final Solution more than that of Granada series, which was sadly, in my opinion, one of the worst episodes in the series and it was such a pivotal moment in Holmes’ history and they botched it pretty badly. And while I still don’t like the new series interpretation of Moriarty, it still was a way better handled interpretation of the story and the ending was so well acted and emotional especially with the phone call Holmes made to Watson. 

            And you are right in regards to the show giving way to people getting interested in Sherlock, and I love that. Seriously I went to a play around this past Christmas where it was basically an interpretation of The Christmas Carol that had Sherlock Holmes as the lead, it was very good and the guy playing Sherlock was spot on. But it was seeing all the young people in the audience that got me excited, who I am going to assume was all introduced to Sherlock Holmes through Moffat’s show. I guess my gripes are more nitpicks when I think about it, because in the end the show has done a lot to revitalize the character, and really that is all that matters, whether its in a modern setting or not. 

          • FEnM

            “I have to admit I did enjoy Moffat’s interpretation of The Final Solution”

            Moffat didn’t write “The Reichenbach Fall”.  It was written by Steve Thompson.

          • Alexa

            Well when I said Moffat’s interpretation I meant the show as a whole. Basically what I  meant was Sherlock’s version of The Final Solution was better than The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes version. But yeah good job Steve Thompson for writing a really good adaptation of a really good story. 

        • Moriarty in this version is clearly mentally ill in some way though. I mean he’s a sociopath with an obsession towards Sherlock, it makes sense he’d act that way I think.

          • Sofie Liv

            Psykopath is more the word I think.. he clearly doesn’t care for any-bodies well being at all, he compleately lacks the ability to empathise and knows how to use his charm to make people open up and appear charming.. all the actually signs of a psykopath..

            And well, the interesting point the show makes is that Sherlock himself carries a lot of similarities to that, especially in season one. That does how-ever all smoulder as we realise that Sherlock can in fact empathise, even when it’s not willingly.. there-for he is not like Moriarty. 

            Also in purely medical terms, Sociopathy is a lack of empathy and human understanding that happened as a cause because of poor interactment doing child-hood.. which in Sherlocks case we are left to assume that he didn’t have the most loving parents in the world.

            While a psykopath could have had worlds best parents, but just because of purely medical reasons that has nothing to do with their surroundings, can’t feel empathy at all towards any one.

            One was damaged due to childhood souroundings the other born that way.. all though the two can very easily be mixed up, and it’s been speculated whether “sociopathy.” even is a condition but just an excuse for psykopaths..

            I’ve studied this, I’ve actually met people woth psykopathic tendencies (most frightening about this actually being how charming these people can be.) so.. erh.. yeah.. And Sherlock is clearly not a psykopath because he ends up caring for the people around him. At most Moriaty can just pretend that he cares.

        • FEnM

          “On a final note with Moriarty I think the minute when he screamed doofus into Holmes’ face”

          That’s funny, I found it impossible to take “Jim” seriously the moment he opened his mouth back in TGG…

          Honestly, there’s only one villain in “Sherlock” that I thought was the least bit interesting, and he got killed off in the first episode.

          • Sofie Liv

             Well, we just have to disagree on that one as I was highly disturbed by this moriarty and found him creepy as fuck.

            I think the one moment that stands the most out to me, which just send chills down my spine was that god damn cab scene! Were Sherlock alone takes the cab home and Moriarty suddenly appears on the screen telling the story of “Sir boast-alot.” .. moment he reveals the plan just.. oh fuck.

            I absolutely love how he coldly and systematicly drew Sherlock up in a corner, in a trap, Sherlock couldn’t escape from, I genuinely had the feeling of being rendered powerless together with Sherlock.

            Oh and that scene where they go visit the journalist and Moriarty comes through the door with unkempt hair.. first I died a bit from laughter as I thought. “Oh man! caught! you loose!” but then he started to play his game, and for a minor second.. I as an audience member started to doubt.. the same way the majority of the characters were doubting Sherlock.. Moriarty ended up playing me.. the audience.. the same way he played all the characters within the show.. wow oO;

            My heart was just up my throat at that point I was so engaged.. this never ending trap that just closed in on Sherlock.. rendering him so absolutely powerless.
            And of cause.. Moriarties dissapointment in the end.. that it was to easy, not even the great Sherlock Holmes were any real distraction.. life just weren’t worth living any-more, it’s all to boring!

            And well urhm.. clearly some-thing in the show has caught you since you’ve been sitting through six eigthy minutes episodes at least ones..

            Seriously.. in that show I felt the supporting casts doubt, I felt Sherlocks hopelessness and angst about being trapped.. the man whom is always a step ahead, now rendered powerless and I felt Johns sadness over loosing his best friend.

            Frustration, fear and sadness.. all packed in one glorius episode, that also managed to make me laugh at the beginning.

            That’s truly the evil about this show, it lures you in with warm comedy and then turns on you mid-way through <_<
            stupid show.

          • FEnM

            “And well urhm.. clearly some-thing in the show has caught you since
            you’ve been sitting through six eigthy minutes episodes at least ones..”

            Yes, I watch for Sherlock and John.  That’s… pretty much it.  It’s certainly not the villains.

            And, honestly, I nearly did stop watching after SiB.  And I skipped through tons of TRF because I can’t stand Moriarty.  I liked TGG because we didn’t actually see him (and more importantly, hear him) until nearly the end.  But honestly:  I liked the first season.  The second season…  yeah…  not so much.  Honestly, if it were longer, I might have stopped watching, especially if Moriarty kept showing up.  Which he would have; God forbid there be one episode of “Sherlock” that didn’t make reference to Moriarty, even if he has nothing to do with the plot.

          • Sofie Liv

             They were building him up, he is the main villain and. I quote Sherlock.

            “Moriarty is a spider sitting in the middle of a net, strings going out in all directions, and him in the middle feeling every single vibration.”

            The things they encountered were Moriartys strings.. and damn.. a shame you wouldn’t even give it a chance to sit through “The Reichenbach fall.” as one exsperience.. it’s the pacing and build-up, the ever development and collision of events that makes that episode so perfect, take scenes out of context and they just aint as good no more.

          • FEnM

            “They were building him up, he is the main villain”

            I get that, but you can have a main villain without him being in every episode.

  • Bob_in_Baltimore

    Um, yeah, we Americans do have a habit of remaking foreign TV shows.  Sometimes it turns out well (the American “The Office” which, in my opinion anyway, was pretty good until the last couple of seasons), sometimes not so much (the Doctor Who TV movie, “Elementary”).  And sometimes it becomes an epic train wreck (two different attempts to Americanize “Fawlty Towers” have aired.  Please don’t try to watch either.  I actually saw the one with John Larroquette, and I am still in therapy over it.)

    Why do we keep doing this?  Well, American TV networks really don’t like to air foreign-produced shows.  Of the major networks, only PBS (public television) regularly shows any significant number of British programs (their broadcasts of “Downton Abbey” are very popular right now).  And if you are interested in TV not produced in English…well, you’d better be able to speak that language, because if you are very lucky it might air, without dubbing or subtitles, on a cable channel dedicated to programming in that language.  Why this reluctance of the networks to air foreign shows?  It might just be because the US produces so much TV that there’s no big need to import foreign shows, unlike smaller countries which don’t have the production facilities to fill up the schedule.  Also, the networks probably believe (with some justification) that a lot of the audience would be confused by small cultural differences or references in the show (” ‘Bloke’?  What’s that mean? Is it a curse word?  Probably really filthy.”)  It’s a shame, there’s probably some really interesting TV being made that never gets popular enough to be imported, even as a cult favorite.  

    • Randolph Quazalpene

      looking at whats typically on cable now days, its sad that some “test group” has convinced the execs. that we’re too stupid for better TV in some cases.

      • Sofie Liv

         Well, in the case of “Being Human.” and “Missfits.” I can see how the content is some-thing that would never ever happen in the US.

        To much uncompromising consequences, blood, sex.. edgy.. all those lovely things the US like to water down in their mainstream television.
        Why did Elementary become made? Well, they need ten or so new shows every-year, why not pick some-thing easy that has proven itself all-ready to be sell-able some-where else, that way it can also piggy ride on Sherlocks success so fans of Sherlock will check this show out.
        It is really dumb that they can’t leave perfect alone but there it is, also things that works exactly because it’s british and lifes and breaths on the british sense of grotesque humour (some-thing Americans are known to water down at every single turn and make more ‘conventioal’)

        Hmm, I was actually lead to believe the danish TV show. “Borgen.” was being broadcasted some-where in the US, and has gained high recognision between high-brow tely critics world-wide.. probably mainly because both main characters are women, and it’s about their harsh political carrier, without the show ever going soft it digs into all the smush and real life mistakes they encounter and compromises they have to go through without ever go all “girly good.” on us, and also treats political life as some messy dirty buisness.

        • John Wilson

          Its because,on a certain level, shows from other countries don’t connect with whats going on with what happening in that country(politics, timeliness, culture,etc. 
             And with shows like Borgen. Its it really real? Or does it connect with what we think is real. If it was about politics of the Illuminati or something like that.Some people might say its the realest show on T.V.
           And about the watering down. That happens because in things like T.V.,movies etc. Almost everyone slowly understands one thing,you stare into something,it stares back. See in place like your country and Britain,there level of control that going on that few people think about that america doesn’t have. So in comprise,we water some things down. You can say that you change it. But if you really know, Would you change it?
            On a lighter note, it would be cool if you did green screen requests. And maybe after a while you might be as good as these guys:).
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUH0a2rwq-w

          • Sofie Liv

            Well for our culture it did aim to be “realistic.” it of cause records only fictional situations, none of those things actually happened in Danish history, the point is that they easily could have.

            And well.. the funny thing is that in the US, it’s particularly Democrats whom loves, as they view it as different society worth striving towards and for me.. urh… it’s just Copenhagen, nothing special about it.

            I’ve gone on the record a couple of times saying. “I’m from a different culture! there are some situations where you can’t demand of me that I should be in your mindset, I can’t! like you can’t be in mine, because our very cultures by their roots can be so very different!” …. I as not joking.

            I don’t have a green screen, been meaning to get one for a while.. just havn’t been able to find one right this moment.. sigh.

        • Bob_in_Baltimore

          Borgen sounds like a perfect example of cool, interesting, non-English-language TV that just isn’t getting wide distribution in the US.  I looked it up, and apparently it has been aired here on LinkTV, a fairly little-known satellite TV channel.  I had heard nothing at all about it from TV critics, high-brow or not.  And from your description and the Wikipedia page, it sounds really interesting and I want to watch it.  And… I don’t get LinkTV, and neither Netflix nor Hulu rent the DVDs or stream it.  It looks like the only legal way I could watch it is through Amazon, who will sell me the first two seasons (but only on Region 2 DVD, which does not work in US-market DVD players) for about $50.  *sigh*  Usually I am not a fan of illegal downloads, but when the big companies are making it this hard for me to legally pay them to watch their product… I can understand the appeal.

          (Note: Yes, I know there are work-arounds for the DVD Region issue.  In general, I don’t like to buy DVDs unless it’s something I know I will watch repeatedly, so $50 for an unknown show, even one this interesting-sounding, is still kind of a deal-breaker.)

          • Sofie Liv

             I guess it’s more popular in the UK than the US.. I just know it became a surprise hit some-where in the foreign countries and Denmark is going compleately bananas over it!

            As for myself.. I think it’s a pretty catchy show, not the kind of thing I would usually watch, but it’s good enough that it’s keeping my interest.

        • The worst was the remake of Life On Mars, which was dire because it felt the need to make the characters more likable and the show lost it’s social comemntary bite

          If I had to guess why they made it it’s because they saw the minor hit for the British version, which is great, and assumed the fans of that would like a remake that is going to air three times a year at best.The problem is I think is the character of Sherlock Holmes is so quintessentially British that the translation just doesn’t work, and also it felt largely generic where it could be any detective they made up, but used Sherlock Holmes for name recognition.

          • Sofie Liv

             Yeah it’s a bit sad when the US just misses the point so completely!

            The very point about “Miss fits.” are that these are not nice ideal young people.. these a shitty young people with serious problems, that’s the point of it!

            In Sherlock, the show out-right states. “Oh yeah, Sherlock is a shitty person. he is not nice!” Sherlock had a very prominent line in the very first episode where he specifically said. “Sherlock Holmes is a great man, maybe one day.. with a lot of luck, he’ll become a good one to.”

            Meaning.. Sherlock is not a good man at that point. Which just makes the entire point of him changing so much stronger in the last episode where it’s all about. “Sherlock has been through a spiritual journey, he changed over the course of time, final test.. is he a good man, or isn’t he? is he like Moriarty as he stated himself he was.”

            In this, it’s like they are afraid to make Sherlock a to shitty person.. I mean.. he apologises to Joan and I am just like. “No dude! don’t apologies! at least not yet, be more of an ass-hole! they shouldn’t try to make you tragic.. you just do the stuff you do because you want to do it! and that’s what makes it so delightful!”

  • Thomas Stockel

    This was a wonderful analysis, Sofie.  I gave one of the Elementary episodes ten minutes and it struck me that I had seen the same thing numerous times before.  I think the only show I like that is anything like this is Castle, and that is because the writers there have tried something different.  Frank Castle is likeable, has a loving family and has no drug problem.  The detectives are actually portrayed as intelligent and sometimes it feels as if Castle is Kate Beckett’s sidekick, not the other way around.

    Maybe I would like Elementary more if I had not already seen Sherlock, so I have a superior Sherlock Holmes to compare him to, and after eight seasons of House I’m just sick and tired of this sort of character.

    • Sofie Liv

       I’m thinking the same thing, maybe I would like this show more if I didn’t all-ready know of Sherlock, which just is far better than this, in every single way in every single aspect, and I cannot help constantly compare the two, it just got every god damn thing right.

      And yeah.. it’s house.. all over again.. why try a new formular when you can just do the same thing over and over???

      • John Wilson

        Because tested and true works. Lets say we had a big action movie. Full of A list stars. Then at the middle of the movie. They all leave and are replace by a bunch of first time actors. People would go crazy. So that why:)

        • Thomas Stockel

          But Die Hard proved you could change up the formula.  At the time Bruce Willis was far from a Hollywood icon.  He was “That Moonlighting Guy” to people like me.  And look at him in that movie.  Thinning hair, not the greatest build in the world, running around in a wife beater t-shirt and bare feet.  He was as unlike Stallone or Arnold as you could get.  And look at the bad guy.  Who the hell was Alan Rickman before Die Hard?  He was a nobody, a workmanlike actor who had done British television.

          So we had a big budget action movie with a comedic actor in the role of the hero and a no-name actor as the principle villain.  And it worked.  Beautifully.  I was dragged to that movie and I
          wound up seeing it eight times in the theater.  I was dragging people to
          the show to see it with me, I loved it so much.  To this day I think
          Die Hard may be the greatest action movie ever made and a large part was
          because they opted to make the everyman the hero, someone you could
          relate to.

          You can break with the formula and it can work, which is why I love Castle so much. Guy with a loving daughter, a caring mother, respected in his field.  His only vice might be he is a bit of a womanizer but when you’re attractive and rich women are bound to throw themselves at you so it’s hard to say “no.”  Castle is the anti-House.  And look at his cast.  Every other show like it portrays cops as stupid, lazy or incompetent.  Psyche, Monk, Elementary, the Mentalist, the police would be helpless without their resident sooooper genius.

          Don’t get me started on Bones.  The only show I hate more than that shit is NCIS.

          • Sofie Liv

             That’s a nice thing about. “Sherlock.” as a show, the police are actually highly competent people, Lestrade as the voice of the police is a clever and intelligent man, you can clearly see that, often he even set Sherlock back in his place. The thing just is that Sherlock is smarter than them, and a smart ass, and it pisses a lot of police officers off to be upstaged by him constantly, because none of them are bad at their job really.. Sherlock is just a hyper genius.. doesn’t mean he is right all the time though.

            And apart from that he is actually also a well dressed gentleman whom can be charming does he wish to be.

            It’s very nice when people cast people, not because of their fame, but because they feel like they fitt the part, just look at the Avengers Line-up here!

            Okay, Robert Downey was cast first as Iron Man, sure he is famouse now, but at the time.. he carrier had gone down in the shitter because of drug problems, no one wanted him.. except Marvel studio whom said. “hey this british dude would be great as the biggest American inteprenour ever! he also all-ready tried drugs, method acting!” .. and wauw, that’s what I call a come back.

            Next up Evans was cast as Captain America, okay, he was all-ready famouse, but the thing he was famouse for was being that douch-bag from fantastic four no one liked, his carrier was not the greatest at that point, in fact it was kind of shitty.. not a golden boy.

            And then Thor, they cast Chris Hemsworth as the hero and Tom Hiddleton as the villain.. reaction back then. “Who the fuck are Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleton? I mean seriously, what have they even been in???”

            And of cause they needed to re-cast the Hulk in the Avengers so they went with Mark Ruffalo… okay.. who’s that?

            Yet it ended up working and people loved it.. why? Because they were all perfectly casted based on type and acting abilities not fame! We didn’t come to see the actors any-way, we came to see these hero figures kicking ass!

          • Elizabeth Usilton

            sophie Live:”Okay, Robert Downey was cast first as Iron Man, sure he is famouse now, but at the time.. he carrier had gone down in the shitter because of drug problems, no one wanted him.. except Marvel studio whom said. “hey this british dude would be great as the biggest American inteprenour ever! he also all-ready tried drugs, method acting!” .. and wauw, that’s what I call a come back.”

            Agree that MARVEL was showing outside the box thinking when they cast Downey; however, he is American, not British.

  • Randolph Quazalpene

    i dont get it here. honestly I dont.   Sherlock would make money here if shown during the season for a new audience who dont surf the net looking for torrents from overseas or wating for months for DVDs…..odd they spend money making another version, when the other would be fine here for less cost on its own.   its the same problem I had with Being Human UK vs Being Human US.  Yay….The UK version had some serious issues, and lots I mean lots of over the top emo angst to it, but it was unique at least, kind of like twilight w/ consequences or a stage play gone overboard.  The American version..gawd the characters where cardboard, and just felt like every other scyfy series, stale and souless.

    AS for reasons why thius thing occurs, maybe US networks are worried that british accents are way to sexy and will steal away all the women or men away.  >_> although I see the main sherlock does have one here so perhaps not an elementry deduction; maybe its just the number of accents.

    • Sofie Liv

       Sherlock only has six episodes, maybe it’ll only become nine episodes all in all since Cumberbatch and Freeman only signed contract for three seasons and both has suddenly become Hollywood boys because of that show.

      Freeman being Bilbo Baggins of cause, and Cumberbatch getting his first major hollywood role this year as he is going to play the main villain in the new Star Trek movie.

      And by god! when the US makes a show, they can’t do mini-series! they need to mass produce, fuck quality as long as we have Quantity!

      Yeah not going to lie, I by far prefer the British way of making shows where instead of 32 episodes pr season, it’s between 6 till 12 episodes for a regular season, then the quality and attention is raised to each episode, there’s a head writer whom assures that every episode actually matters in the over-all story arch and effects the plot, and funny enough, a six episode show from the UK can often end up going much further plot wise and conseqience vise for characters than a season of 32 episodes from a regular US show.

      Of cause there are always exceptions, like in Game of Thrones, where the show is build in a way so it’s build around Story Arching not stand-alone episodes.. and Merlin from the UK.. which never bloody went any-where! garh..

      But over-all, yeah still by far prefer the 6-12 episode system! yeah I have to wait longer for Doctor who episodes, but those I get are on the other hand out there and top notch.

      And well, for shows as being human and miss-fits.. the british versions just do all that stuff the US would never allow on their main-stream channels, they life and breaths on being british shows and have that lovely british edge to them with no holding back..

      The US just looked for ideas that had all-ready proved itself popular so their bet in a new tely show seemed safer and they didn’t have to think, hell! gotta make up ten new titles a year some-how! … -_-;

      • John Wilson

        Its capitalism. Make more by doing it yourself. Plus you can monition whats going on with it.

  • I know I already told you this a hundred times but whhhhyyyyyyy why Lucy Liu…whyyyyyy…

    Your version of the scene was interesting. Emotion! That woman needs to actually put some emotion in her role damn it, which is what you did.

    • Sofie Liv

       Thanks 😀

      and yes.. WHYYYYYYY?????

      • John Wilson

        Probably vague star power.

        • Sofie Liv

           That’s why I am a social-liberalist

        •  She was in Futurama?  I never got the point.  Maybe I should Google her.

  • I insist they made Sherlock a drug addict so he reminds people of Dr. House…who is already inspired by Sherlock…we got the bad kind of Sherlockception here! >.<

    • Sofie Liv

      @_@ 
       
      Well, at least he didn’t have a messed up leg and was in constant pain…  

  • Nuclearademan

    I gotta disagree with you about Jonny Lee Miller I think he is good and he’s made a version of the character that’s his own and not trying to mimic Benedict.

    That’s probably what I like the most about the show is that they’ve done there best to make the show nothing like Sherlock. So the show can’t really be compared that much and has to be judged on it’s own merits and in that regard it’s just a incredibly generic detective show with a decent leading man.

    At the very least it’s something to watch inbetween the incredibly long wait we got for Sherlock season 3.

    • Sofie Liv

       Well.. I think his performance is decent to, I didn’t say any-thing against it.. he is decent, he is certainly not bad. His co-star how-ever… by god Lucie Liu.. do some-thing!

      I’m not going to watch any-more of this show, i’m just going to wait for the good stuff to come out in a year.

      • maarvarq

        I was wondering if LL had had “work done”, which might explain the stiffness of her face (not I think that she has ever been particularly noted for her expressiveness), but the main picture on her Wikipedia page has her smiling broadly, so that obviously still works. When he asks her why she is smiling, I thought “What amazing powers of observation to know that that vague twitch was a smile.”. Apparently the casting director should have cast a cute Danish blonde in the role instead 😉

        • Sofie Liv

           Njah, i’m to young to be Watson at this point. Watson needs to be mature and effectively cut Sherlock down in sieze on a consistent basis, perhaps in seven years time I would be just right for the part.

          But hell I would never say no if asked!

          And well.. I don’t mean to be racist or any-thing, but it actually is more rare that asien looking people have that much face-expression to work with. Some-times they do, there was this guys in “Heroes.” whom was absolutely glorius every-time he appears on screen. But I suppose it’s a bit harder for them, I suspect it’s their eyes that doesn’t lend that much in emotion to often, and they have to work a bit harder to make it come across.
          I on the other hand have what you could might call a “Rubber face.” I actually have to elect to deliberately hold back so I don’t become to cartoonish.. sort of like Jim Carry.. and that has nothing to do with how talented we are.. that’s just the gene-pool we were handed. I’m just lucky to have a face that can make a great many deal of over the top face-expressions with me not even trying.

          Still doesn’t excuse though that when great scenes are just handed to Lucie Liu she doesn’t react to it. Didn’t mention it in the video, but there is a scene in a future episode where I just went. “FOR F***,S SAKE REACT!” when in a future episode Watsons parents announces they are coming to have dinner with Joan. Sherlock says. “Oh great, then I can meet them!” and Joan of cause goes. “NO! stay away!” and keeps on being all. “Please just stay away!” that’s a funny set-up.. problem just is.. Lucy Liu doesn’t act on it.
          Then comes the actual dinner scene, love how it’s written, Joan sits with her family and Sherlock isn’t there, she thinks she’s saved… and then he shows up any-way.. we should have seen Joan squirm there.. but she does not react. Then Sherlock opens his mouth and… turns all the words around so he effectively make Joans family go. “Well, when you say it like that, I guess she really is doing a good job! We are so proud of you Joan.” (they didn’t like she had skipped being a surgoen and then become a Drug nanny.) .. to which we just needed Joans face being absolutely baffled.. but.. NOTHING!
          And of cause the conversation Sherlock and Joan had afterwards ones they were alone again.. Fun situation, even kind of fun dialouge. Lucie Liu ruins it! And damn it’s such a shame.

          And well.. if we had had an actor with the same comedic abilities as Freeman, those scenes would have been hillarious, I dare say even that prison scene I acted out, some of the lines are potentially very funny if said right with the right timing. for instance I though it was Watson turn to get the shovel under Sherlock for the first time when she states. “Well know I just know it’s a woman!” that’s potentially amusing.
          But Lucie Liu can’t be funny so just.. -_-;

          • Muthsarah

            Regarding Liu’s inexpressiveness, Ockham’s Razor would probably indicate that it was a stylistic choice to appear emotionless and therefore badass and/or deep.  The TV crime show version of the “cool guys never look back at explosions” thing.  I find it hard to believe that Liu made a conscious choice to act this way, and that the director and producers felt it was a better fit than actually making her seem human; it was probably planned long before she was cast.  Marketers, executives, or writers must think it’s a sure-fire way to make a compelling character, because they do it ALL THE DAMN TIME.  Be stoic.  Stare.  Be moderately unshaven (if a guy).  Wear a lot of black.  It’s intense, and the kids love it.  Needless to say, they’re wrong, or at least right, but dumb.  It’s probably a lot easier to write and to perform these kinds of characters, though, so laziness probably plays a role as well.

            Regarding Sofie and her rather silly belief that Asian people are less expressive:  I am going to prescribe you some Japan.  Take it for a week or so and see if things clear up for you. 🙂

            In the West, Asian people still tend to be portrayed as either quiet, emotionless nerds or quiet, emotionless badasses.  But they’re as goddamn nuts, from head to toe, as the rest of us.  You just have to see them in an element that gives them a chance to show it.

          • Sofie Liv

             The clearify the asian thing, you are talking personal terms, I am talking acting terms and the rules that applies on camera and stage.

            In acting terms, there are actually two kind of faces in existence, those we like to call. “open faces.” and “Closed faces.”

            Open faces has the disasvantage that they have to hold back or they can end up becoming cartoonis, but will always have some sort of emotion present, these people will have a difficult time looking stoic though.
            A closed face how-ever, can be closed off and requries extra afford from the actor to get emotions across.

            In my experience, around 70 percent of all asien people have these closed faces, and I suspect it has some-thing to do with the eyes that doesn’t widen as easily and so on. It doesn’t mean that they can’t express themselves, it just means they have to be more over the top with it while people like me has to hold back. Some-times it’s a balance act.

            Yeah.. maybe the hired Lucy Liu with the specific intend of making a stoic ball-crushing watson.
            It’s just that I don’t want a stoic ball-crushing Watson, and she isn’t even written like that. She’s written as a hurt, broken but all around good person. WHICH I LIKE! .. so it’s a shame you didn’t get an actress whom could reflect that.. and have a sense of comedic timing.

          • kiluvi

            i felt like it was a good plan to play that scene subdued. and Honestly Lucy Liu emotes really well in the pilot, you can look at the scene where Sherlock confesses that he lied, but I’ve seen a lot of the show and I’m used to her face.

  • Cheshire Cat

    It’s unfortunate that the American way of thinking is to find a formula that is successful and, completely ignoring the reason for said success, to run that formula into the ground. As an American raised on British telly, I’ve come to expect more from my entertainment.

    • Sofie Liv

       Don’t feel bad, my country does that to ones in a while.. especially when it comes to kids show..

      Our ‘adult’ television is though highly recognised in foreign countries as being very original and intelligent. We just were nominated for an oscar for best foreign film… again.. oscars, you do realise we won last year and now you are nominating us again.. right?

      • MichaelANovelli

        Well, don’t get too cocky; all of the nominees for Best Supporting Actor are previous winners, as well!

        • Sofie Liv

           We won a bafta for best television show in the UK this year for “Borgen.” which is also highly recognised amongst the high-brow US folks for it’s innovative thinking in how to represent an ideal futuristic culture people could aim after..

          To which I can only say.. urh what? It’s.. it’s just political life in Copenhagen?

          You know how I have walked around saying. “I am from an entirely different culture than you guys! Some-times my thought process will be so different and alien from yours, because that’s the culture I grew up in!” .. I wasn’t joking.

  • I’ve never watched any of these generic crime shows.  As a hardcore Thomas Harris (Hannibal novels) fan, do you (or anybody else- FoQ, perhaps?) think I should check them out?  Same goes for Sherlock- is it a good place to start for someone who’s never been a fan?  Should I watch Ursa’s episodes on Sherlock before I start it?

    • Sofie Liv

       Just go and watch Sherlock right now!

      You don’t need any-thing to watch and enjoy that show, not a single little thing, at all.. and that’s the sign of a good re-interpretation.
      It’s great for fans of the franchise, because it stays so god damn true to its source material. And it’s also great for none fans! because it’s such a great show in its own right that any-body can enjoy it! With or without any prior knowledge.

      All these other shows… unless you are genuinly bored and need a way to kill time.. skip em.
      For me the fun thing about crime-shows is that I can kick back when I visit friends and we have nothing to do, and that just happens to be on, and then we actually… usually laugh at how silly they are. I’ve seen a great deal of criminal mind episodes and house episodes that way.. and I remember very little of the actual episodes. I do think ‘House’ was the better show.. but ‘Sherlock’ … it’s just an amazing show in its own right, and i’ve gone back to watch it several times just because i find it that good.

      •  Thanks, I’ll add this to my To Watch list and continue not watching the others then.

    • Jill Bearup

      Well…you can definitely watch the episode-specific shows (6-8), because they don’t give away plot details (being ninety seconds long apiece) but the character-related shows are more spoileriffic. Honestly, I’d just watch A Study in Pink and see if you like it, then go from there. No prior knowledge is required to watch Sherlock – I didn’t have any! 🙂

      •  Thanks Jill!  I’ll hold off on your reviews until I watch the show then.

        • Or maybe The Great Game, the third of season 1.
          Where not to start; The Blind Banker. Little iffy that one, and some find it’s depictions of asian people a little racist.

          • Sofie Liv

             Well yeah.. The blind Banker is the weakest out of the entire series! Which means.. it’s the least good one, cause the episode actually isn’t bad! it’s just the rest is so over the top good that it feels like the bland odd man out.

            For full exsperience it should be viewed in the prober order.. if some-body is of the impatient type.. they can skip the Blind Banker and just go.

            “Study in pink.” “The great game.” “Scandal in Belgravia.” “Hound of Baskerville.” “The Reichenbach fall.”

            Which chronologs Sherlocks and Johns development quite nicely..

            We have. “The Meeting.” “The questioning of morals.” “Sherlock gets to develop a little bit to.” “Ghost story where friend-ship is being tested.” “Sherlocks personal story arch comes to a hault.”

            It’s a nice thing about this show, the characters actually do develop bit by bit pr episode.. or as I pointed out. Sherlock doesn’t changes at all in season one, only Johns perception of him, in season two Sherlock how-ever, changes in every episodes.. if only a little bit.. yes I am a nerdy I know.. -_-;

          • FEnM

            “or as I pointed out. Sherlock doesn’t changes at all in season one”

            Yes, he does.  The whole point of the scene at the Pool was to show how Sherlock has started caring about John.

          • Sofie Liv

             Whom are we to judge, that if Sherlock stood with a human lifes in his hand that he would just coldly let the person die without caring.

            Sherlock pretty much states that’s how it is.. but his statements about himself aren’t always true.

            True earlier in the same episode John and sherlock as the conversation. “Sherlock, lifes are at stake and you couldn’t care less! what’s wrong with you?” “Would me caring help me solve the case faster?” “No.” “Then why would you ask that of me?”

            Thing just is.. Sherlock has a point here, he is right. And the question must be, does Sherlock care only covering it up, would he care if that person was straight in front of him.

            In which case it’s not Sherlock himself, only Johns perspective of him that changes.. and all we have at that point is Johns Perspective, we know very little of Sherlock.

            Or did Sherlock genuinly change because he started carring for John?

            I gotta admit, I don’t know which one is true.. it’s pretty much up to interpretation, but I don’t mind.. it’s a good character study. I just know what “Reichenbach.” ends on is that Sherlock was wrong.. about himself. Question has to be though.. for how long has he been wrong about himself? were he right at the beginning? or wasn’t he? I don’t know, but it’s an interesting question for sure.

          • FEnM

            We see Sherlock being callous, even about John, then we see him caring about John.  So yes, he does go through character development.

  • The_Stig

    Frankly, Sofie the flaw in your opinion is that you’re comparing this too much to the British show. Which, though it is far superior, it taints your judgment. 

    It doesn’t mean that I disagree with you. I think Elementary is good. Not fantastic but it deserves a shot. It’s just the first season, after all. I’m with you on that it’s good on its own merits but does fall short as a Sherlock show. Does it hold up to the brilliant British show? No. Is it a shameless cash-in?Yes, but that’s just two flaws in a flawed, but otherwise entertaining show.

    Elementary’s problem is that it’s not new. There have been crime shows over here about super-detectives aping Sherlock Holmes for literally decades. Elementary just has the Sherlock name. It doesn’t really do anything new with the crime-solving super-detective genre. Frankly, with the reputation US crimes shows have and on the network it airs on we’re all damned lucky this thing didn’t turn out to be CSI: Baker Street.

    If you’d like to see a show that’s a good spiritual adaptation of Sherlock Holmes, I highly recommend checking out a show called Monk.

    • Sofie Liv

      That’s preciesly what I said just formulated a little bit differently isn’t it?

      I never ever called this show bad, I even gave it credit, the only thing I saw as bad was Lucy Lius performance, and that’s the only huge flaw as its own entity, the rest is just.. more of the same thing really. it’s incredibly generic and doesn’t do any-thing new, it’s just more of the same.

      And I’ve seen a couple of episodes of Monk, my littlesister is a big fan of that show, so she made me watch a couple of episodes, I found it amusing enough, but it didn’t stuck enough with me for me to go search it out.

      • The_Stig

        No, but you DID compare it, IMO unfairly, to the British series. The only thing Elementary has in common with Sherlock is that they’re both about a detective named Sherlock Holmes. 

        • Sofie Liv

           You know, there was a point why I stated in the very beginning of the video that I wouldn’t bring up the BBC show again.. until the last ten seconds where I recommended people go watch it.

          I didn’t feel like I compared it to the BBC show, what I did compare it to how-ever, was the Sherlock Holmes mythos, the books! and maybe even the Granada Series, Which I think I am ought to since this show calls it main character. “Sherlock Holmes.” so I will draw in book comparisons and older movie comparisons. What do I exspect out of a Sherlock Holmes interpretation?
          And I honestly tried to Exspell BBC’s Sherlock from my mind.

          My statement still stands. “As a Sherlock Holmes adaptation.. it does not hold up, there seems to be little reason why this dude is called Holmes and this woman Watson, how-ever, as its own crime-show, it’s decent.”

          And that is what I have to say about it.

  • Zenderjz

    Hello i’m kind of new to your videos but i thought i’d get my two cents in so here goes. I am american i have seen sherlock thru netflix and loved it, i watched Elementry when it priemered and really liked it and have tryed to keep up with it as best i can. I love both shows they both are good what what they are trying to do and both have their ups and downs about them, but if i had to choose one over the other and i know i will probably get hate for this but i would choose elementry by barley a hair. Now at least hear me out on this ok? Sherlock is great as an adaptation taking what is already existing and making it happen again except newer or changing small bits Elementry on the other hand is good as a reimagineing taking what has happened and saying yeah but what if this was different or if this happened this way or that didn’t happen. It is literaly taking the same characters but puting them in completely different situations and maybe even a diferent life they have lived and honestly i really like that. I am a pretty good sherlock holmes fan and though i have not read all the stories personally i do no a majority of what happens and with Sherlock not much has been changed they are in fact the same storylnes happening a lot of the same ways though i could be wrong on that fact again i have not read all of the books. With Elementry though they are all original stories none that i have identified atleast are what has happened before and that is really nice it means that you can’t just know the clus or the killer and it all just being nice little winks to the orginal material while that is appresiated alot in Sherlock. Another thing i like that again i will be hated for is that i like elementrys sherlock better than Sherlocks Sherlock the bbc sherlock has always been very cold calculating and very harsh to anyone and everyone ad while that is the gernerally associated with the character because of his nonexistent ability to be social in the books he wasn’t like that he was always kind and very polite and while very condesenting at times he more or less explained things to people as ifthey were nothing not that they were obvious and should be missed just thing that were just sort of there and elemetry sherlock is a lot like that with the obvious modernising of him being a more above everyone he is still kind and to people he really does care about or who deserves it. oh and i do like that Sherlock is a drug addict because the orignal was in too and the way it’s handled in the show really is i think how sherlock would handle his addiction. In watsons howver i feel they both do great jobs i love them both for their reason and they get on my nevrse for different reasons. In short i like Elementry a bit more than Sherlock because it just seems like the characters are more Sherlock holmes like does this mean i think it’s perfect far from it but i still enjoy it flaws and all, does this mean i hate Sherlock now far from it i love th show just as much for it’s own reasons and own veiws on sherlock holmes they are both in my opion good sherlock holmes remakes and both have just as much right to exist as the other.

    oh and sherlock didn’t record the conversation he found the phone of the killer who had the doctor as a shrink and recorded their sessions that showed the doctor was pushing the man to kill his wife thru steroid aggresion and making his wife over in the image of the killers pefered victim i looked thru the comments and found that no one had mentioned this so i thought i’d point it out

  • Jake Zender

    Hello i’m kind of new to your videos but i thought i’d get my two cents in so here goes. I am american i have seen sherlock thru netflix and loved it, i watched Elementry when it priemered and really liked it and have tryed to keep up with it as best i can. I love both shows they both are good what what they are trying to do and both have their ups and downs about them, but if i had to choose one over the other and i know i will probably get hate for this but i would choose elementry by barley a hair. Now at least hear me out on this ok? Sherlock is great as an adaptation taking what is already existing and making it happen again except newer or changing small bits Elementry on the other hand is good as a reimagineing taking what has happened and saying yeah but what if this was different or if this happened this way or that didn’t happen. It is literaly taking the same characters but puting them in completely different situations and maybe even a diferent life they have lived and honestly i really like that. I am a pretty good sherlock holmes fan and though i have not read all the stories personally i do no a majority of what happens and with Sherlock not much has been changed they are in fact the same storylnes happening a lot of the same ways though i could be wrong on that fact again i have not read all of the books. With Elementry though they are all original stories none that i have identified atleast are what has happened before and that is really nice it means that you can’t just know the clus or the killer and it all just being nice little winks to the orginal material while that is appresiated alot in Sherlock. Another thing i like that again i will be hated for is that i like elementrys sherlock better than Sherlocks Sherlock the bbc sherlock has always been very cold calculating and very harsh to anyone and everyone ad while that is the gernerally associated with the character because of his nonexistent ability to be social in the books he wasn’t like that he was always kind and very polite and while very condesenting at times he more or less explained things to people as ifthey were nothing not that they were obvious and should be missed just thing that were just sort of there and elemetry sherlock is a lot like that with the obvious modernising of him being a more above everyone he is still kind and to people he really does care about or who deserves it. oh and i do like that Sherlock is a drug addict because the orignal was in too and the way it’s handled in the show really is i think how sherlock would handle his addiction. In watsons howver i feel they both do great jobs i love them both for their reason and they get on my nevrse for different reasons. In short i like Elementry a bit more than Sherlock because it just seems like the characters are more Sherlock holmes like does this mean i think it’s perfect far from it but i still enjoy it flaws and all, does this mean i hate Sherlock now far from it i love th show just as much for it’s own reasons and own veiws on sherlock holmes they are both in my opion good sherlock holmes remakes and both have just as much right to exist as the other.

    oh and sherlock didn’t record the conversation he found the phone of the killer who had the doctor as a shrink and recorded their sessions that showed the doctor was pushing the man to kill his wife thru steroid aggresion and making his wife over in the image of the killers pefered victim i looked thru the comments and found that no one had mentioned this so i thought i’d point it out

    • Sofie Liv

      You know… laying all details aside with both trying to be. “sherlock Holmes in modern times.” laying aside the similarities and differences in regard to source material, and just call these two different shows.

      Sherlock is still the best one in my opinion, and the reason why is much more simple than me analyzing both things to shred.

      The simple truth is that Sherlock as a show, caught me from day one.. it enganged me as a person, I have become emotionally involved with the stories.
      Sherlock is a show that has made my puls race with anxiety and anticipiation, as I have felt completely caught up in a situation and actually felt scared.
      Sherlock has made me laugh, it has made me cry, it has made me truly care for all of these characters as if they are really people. The show has made me emotionally respond and connect, and it has been a ride, provoking responses and feelings out of me all the time.
      With help of beautiful direction, nice music and astounding writing. And even though it has been a year now since the last season.. I still can’t wait for me, still a year after, I am dying of anticipation to see their re-union.

      Elementary how-ever, as a show in its own right.. has done none of that.. not one single thing. And i’ve seen several episodes ahead!
      Some scenes I feel like could have been potentially funny, but Lucy Liu sucks out to humour for me.
      The show hasn’t made me emotionally connect, it hasn’t made my pulls heighen with anticipation.. I hadn’t had fun doing a chase through London, I havn’t been startled.. nothing.. it feels flat in comparison. And now that I am done with the show.. have seen five or six episodes.. I don’t feel like I want to see more at all.. i am honestly now compleately dis-interested in where that show is going to go, and I am not going to search it out on own accord every again.

      Sherlock How-ever.. i’ll hunt it down to the day I die! it caught me!

      And that’s the simple truth of it..

      • Jake Zender

        completely fair point in all by all means sherlock is the better show with more interesting and a bit more true to the source of the charters story but i still like elementry maybe not as much as when i wrote the first comment cause i saw the latest episode and it has me a bit confused but i still think it’s good and worth at least the time it gets maybe it’s because i have easier access to it than Sherlock maybe just because i’m a bit of an idiot and like things a bit too easily but i will watch both shows commitedly until they are done or they kill my love for them

  • America shouyld just stick to American detectives. Do a modern version of Nero Wolfe or something like that.

    • FullofQuestions1

      That’s been done. And in addition, for the sake of argument, an adaptation of an American detective novel (that I still need to see) came out this past year. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1712170/

      • i was referring more to updating older american detective properties, in keep with the idea behind Sherlock, not relatively new stuff like the cross novels. a modern day nero wolfe adaptation hasnt been done since the early 80’s. time to do it again, i think.

        • Sofie Liv

           That’s actually a really good point! they should totally do that!

          Sherlock is at its core also such a british show, the humour, the characters, the edgyness. it’s all so british.. there’s no comparison really.

      • Elizabeth Usilton

        Yeah, there are a ton of classic American detectives who are just waiting to be updated: Nero Wolfe, Philip Marlowe, Sam Spade, the Continental Op, Nick and Nora Charles, Charlie Chan (wasn’t Lucy Liu attached to a Chan update for a while?), Philo Vance, Ellery Queen, Uncle Abner, Augustus  S.F.X. Van Dusen, etc. Why not use one of them?

        • i would LOVE a modern version of Nick and Nora, that would just be awesome:)

          • Elizabeth Usilton

            Yeah, I can’t believe that two fantastic characters like Nick and Nora are just sitting there, waiting to be used. 

        • Elizabeth Usilton

          Another great character to update would be Frank L. Packard’s  Jimmie Dale, the Gray Seal. He was a bored millionaire who got his kicks as a gentleman burglar, until he was blackmailed by a woman into using his skills to fight crime.

  • sunsapple

    My feeling is that neither show is really getting it right. Sherlock Holmes, at its core, should be about providing challenging mysteries. And the writing for both shows fails in this regards. The plots are predictable or ridiculous. Where have all the good mystery writers gone?

  • sunsapple

    The most important point when comparing the shows is whether they achieve their objective: providing the audience with a good mystery. I don’t think either show succeeds in this regard. Too many plots are predictable, have ridiculous leaps of logic, or are just plain silly. The most important characteristic of Sherlock Holmes is his intelligence; I wish the writers had more respect for the audience’s.

  • Who would make a good modern day version of Nick and Nora, or Nero Wolfe and Archie Goodwin, or any American detective that you might prefer to talk about?

  • groupthinker1984

    Lets go to your point about how Sherlock Holmes is already the template for so many american crime shows. I suspect that Elementary started development under a different name and an exec, seeing the recent success of the Sherlock Holmes movies and the Sherlock tv series asked if this show could be rebranded as a modern Sherlock Holmes remake. 

    • Sofie Liv

       That’s a pretty good theory. I don’t know if it’s true, but it easily could be.

      • groupthinker1984

        Who knows right? I just think it would explain all the differences. I doubt any show that started development as a earnest modern Sherlock Holmes adaptation would cast Lucy Liu as Watson even if they wanted to try a gender flip (and I think there is a LOT of potential in a gender flipped modern Watson especially since they already joke about the ho yay with male Holmes and Watson.)

        EDIT: Clarify. I don’t think that potential is in romantically pairing them. I think female Watson should be fascinated by Holmes for the reasons Watson is always fascinated by Holmes but the idea of romance with him should repulse her if she ever even thinks about it and that shouldn’t be hard to sell.

        • Sofie Liv

           Oh I think female Watson whom has no romantic emotions what-so ever should be one of the easier gender flips to pull off.
          Sherlock Holmes is an a-sexual whom just doesn’t do romance, female Watson is a woman smart enough to see him for what he is, a guy whom doesn’t want nor need any of that and thus she respects him for it, though might be kind of fond and protective of him. There, easy peacy, problem solved.
          And again.. having watched a couple of episodes ford in this, I honestly like how Joan Watson is written and how hers and Sherlocks relationship is written, that’s competent, that’s how she should be genderbend, that is how you should genderbend any-one. I just don’t like that casting and that’s my only real problem with that character.

          And this isn’t even the first time female Watson has been done, it’s been done at two different occasions back in the seventies, both times where Sherlock Holmes got cryogenical frozen and then go unfrozen to at that time, modern time, to meet up with one of Watson decendents, whom would be a woman.. twice.

          One gender flip I am very curious about in regard to this fandomn though.. I would love to see it. There should be a book out there some-where, which is based on the idea that Holmes is a woman disguising herself as a male to do her detective work in peace, without people constantly putting her down for it… that makes surprisingly much sense and is actually kind of interesting to me..
          It was a time period where women were simply not allowed to do detective work like that, and Holmes the character wouldn’t give a damn about that he.. she.. lifes solely for the case, not what other people think. It’s a weird idea but for some reason it’s honest compelling to me.

          • groupthinker1984

            That . . . works very well. Its so period appropriate with all the female writers who had to pretend to be men. I think it would be interesting to have this focused driven analytical asexual woman who is somewhat unconcerned by social norms be frustrated that she even has to bother putting on airs because Victorian society has such “puzzling” ideas of what a man and woman have to be. Not that she doesn’t know what those ideas are (or she wouldn’t be a good detective) but doesn’t really get why.

            It would kind of be the opposite of a traditional play on this trope where the woman has to suppress normal womanly desires for men to maintain her disguise.

          • Sofie Liv

             yeah.. what would also be an interesting alteration is that she wouldn’t be all out to prove a point that.
            “Women can do this to and i’ll show them all!” but genuinly just wants to solve her cases in peace and just let be.

            The book should of cause also play on the idea that what we read in the original Holmes short stories is what Watson decided to write, thus Holmes being a woman would actually be a public secret both took to their grave meaning.. neither really wished to prove a point, they just wanted to let be. And yeah, female holmes merely being a-sexual as well, is some-thing I like.. hmm.. introducing a female character in any connection whom just is a-sexual.. interesting.

            I have never managed to actually find the book, I just know it’s supposed to be out there some-where, and the more I think about the idea behind it the more I honestly like it.

          • Camille Watson

            I’m on it. I’ve been thinking about the idea for a while, and this finally gave me a solid enough sense to put it down on my “to write list”, meaning, it’ll probably take a while, but I am now seriously thinking of writing that novel, with Holmes as a woman. I must thank you for the inspiration.

    • The_Stig

      Sherlock Holmes isn’t the template for just American crime shows, it’s the template for ALL crime shows. We aren’t the only ones guilty of lifting Conan Doyle’s formula. For example, Cracker which starred the great Robbie Coltrane. Inspector Lynley, Van Der Valk. Pretty much any show anywhere that’s about a crime-solving super sleuth owes everything to Sir Arthur. Sherlock Holmes IS the genre.

  • Anne

    Um. Sofie, It’s not a “version’ of Sherlock. It’s a version of Sherlock Holmes. It’s its own thing. If you actually watched more than the pilot, you’d see that.

    • Sofie Liv

      I have watched more than the pilot, i’ve seen around six episodes.

      It’s based on the exact sam idea at Sherlock, it was made first after Sherlock had become popular, it got Benedict Cumberbatchs acting buddy in the main character, the person Cumberbatch has made several stage collaborations with, where they often switches parts between nights.. That can’t be coincidental!

      And it is supposed to be a Sherlock Holmes adaptation, I tried to not compare it to “Sherlock.” but more either the original Conan Doyle books, the Rathbone movies or just what I consider Sherlock mythos in genneral.

      In regard to that, it didn’t life up to be a prober Holmes adaptation at all.

      How-ever, as its own crime-show, it’s decent! there is just no reason the main character should be called. “Sherlock.” other than the fact that it’s a recognisable name for audiences to buy into.

  • CaptainCalvinCat

    Okay, I watched the latest Episode – it was the one with the Safe, the Diamonds etc. and – I still like the show. Yes, Watson is sometimes a bit less than stellar, but she does a decent job.

    I like the banter between her and sherlock although I fear that they will do, what they could do now with Watson being Female… they bring in UST – underlying (or unresolved) sexual tension. They did so from square one.

    But whatever…

    This episode was interesting, concerning Watson and her Family… I am looking forward to see more.

    • Sofie Liv

      i’ve said this several times, I like how Watson is written, I don’t like how she is cast.
      I even LOVED how she was written, loved the insecurity, loved the banter, loved she was human, it is how you should genderbend characters or just write female leads in genneral. The casting I still find abysmal.

      Banter comes from the writing, not from the acting, and Lucy Lui just turned me off, I saw the first six episodes to make this review, and I am not going back, the show gave me nothing that made me want to stick around for it.

      Hell just one example, there was a scene in a episode, LOVED how it was written. Watson told her family was coming and Sherlock went. “Oh great, then I can meet them!”
      And watson went. “WHAT? no! No stay away Sherlock! please stay away!”

      Then the family comes for dinner, Sherlock is not there and Watson is relieved, then Sherlock enters any-way and she is just about to die out of the shame she just knows will come, Sherlock opens his mouth and… skill-fully praises Watson in a way so her family goes. “Oh well, when you say it like that, I guess we really are proud, good job Joan.”
      And Watson goes. “….. what just happened?”

      LOVED how that was written, but Lucy Lui just killed this perfect set-up, there were so many times she should have reacted there, I WANTED her to react, all of those scenes, were brilliantly written, it was potentially hillarious, and Lucy Lui.. I am a broken record I know, but she killed these three brilliant scenes for me, she didn’t react in the slightest to what should have been Watson getting a panick attack, Watson ready to die in shame and watson going. “wtf.” then a follow up scene with. “Okay, what the freak just happened Sherlock? what is it you want?”

      The dialoug said it, her acting did not.

  • bulletproofbell

    Sherlock Holmes says “elementary” in the canon EIGHT times. don’t believe everything you read on the internet- it’s literally the EASIEST thing to check just pull up the full text it’s available free on the web.

    BBCSHERLOCK is far from a perfect show. It treats it’s female character’s like shit, and don’t even get me started on how they ruined scandal.

    Elementary is not an adaptation of BBC Sherlock, it is an independent adaptation of the same source material. CBS has done modern adaptations of Sherlock Holmes twice before.

    Really? you don’t think it’s a little coincidental that BBC Sherlock came out right after the RDJ movie. Hell Sherlock Holmes adaptations come out at least once a year. Sherlock Holmes is the most adapted character in the english language.
    BBC Sherlock fans need to get over themselves, you aren’t special.

    Sherlock’s addiction is a part of the canon. that choice is entirely valid an an interesting direction to take such a over-saturated market of Holmes adaptations. And the tattoo’s and the sex aren’t a victorian thing, but It makes perfect sense a modern Holmes would have it.

    The reason the Brownstone looks little lived-in is because they both just moved in, Sherlock just got out of rehab. And the building is pretty big, he barely ever uses the TV room anyway most of the pilot takes place down in the study-which looks considerably more like the description. And it is a BIG building, with at least 4 levels.

    The tv scene was him listening to all of the tvs it’s an exercise in being able to hear and differentiate voices, not him deducing what they’re going to say.

    with the reference to him using a prostitute he clearly says just after that he does it to keep his body at optimal levels. There isn’t an attachment to the sex, which is the way some asexuals feel. I like the change, and it doesn’t take anything away from the character.

    An insult wrapped up in a compliment on the deductions- I’ll take that as a positive.

    Elementary is much much much much more subtle then BBC Sherlock in it’s characterization and they have the time to flesh everything out. Elementary feels real where BBC Sherlock feels flashy and sometimes unsubstantial.

    You’re wrong about Lucy Liu, absolutely wrong. but quite frankly it’s not something I can argue, so agree to disagree.

    The characterizations Elementary uses is a part of the canon that isn’t adapted very often so people who aren’t very familiar with the original canon. And it’s an adaptation, it doesn’t have to be totally faithful to the original series, we have that in the old Grenada series. Hell BBC Sherlock makes huge changes in the second halves of their episodes. what really makes Elementary different from BBC Sherlock is that it actually has some diverse casting. Maybe in victorian britain it made sense for pouch all of the characters to be white guys but that doesn’t give BBC Sherlock an excuse. Elementary is truly brought into the twenty first century. BBC Sherlock really just reinforces the problems with the original canon and in the case of “A Scandal in Belgravia” actually makes it worse. Irene becomes the self confessed lesbian who later falls in love with a man. She is beaten by Sherlock and then needs to be rescued. In the hands of Moffat and Gatiss She becomes a Love-interest and a Damsel. That is the biggest insult to Irene’s character I have EVER scene.

    • bulletproofbell

      wow I didn’t realize how old this post is- someone linked it on tumblr

  • CasuallyInquiring

    I actually do share pretty much the same opinion about Elementary.

    I normally don’t put a high emphasis on acting ability. But…your second video just captured why brilliantly.

    Unfortunately…I can say that I have seen several episodes of Sherlock and didn’t like it. Sherlock as a character just came off as too off putting to me to be sympathetic for him. I’m sure everything about it is great and wonderful for most any fan of Sherlock Holmes. The show is just not my “cup of tea”.

    It’s not that I don’t deeply appreciate what Sherlock is: I just might have felt like it was less off putting if Sherlock was a little more understanding with others, and others with him. Not by a lot, of course. But, at least as far as most others knowing Sherlock Holmes has problems with others: Even if he’s too wrapped up in details of cases to even notice that he does.

    You can feel free to disagree. That’s just my take on both Elementary and Sherlock.