VIDEO: Birds of Prey “Nature of the Beast”

Nonsense ensues when the Birds are forced to protect a mob boss (Mitch Pileggi) who killed one of their own. It’s not nearly as cool as it sounds.

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TV Show: Birds of Prey

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  • Alexa

    I wanna say Arrow is worse than this show. But no this show is worse, still Arrow is a whole other kind of bad. In that the lead is a creepy psycho, who thinks killing is the only way to solve crime. He’s not technically a hypocrite like these dumbasses, since he never had a “No Kill” code, but he’s still stupid and arrogant in his thinking, making him extremely unpleasant to watch. This show at least has a so bad its kind of hilarious feel to it, plus it has Mia Sara who is fun. But really I guess you can just basically say they’re equally bad just for completely different reasons *shrugs*

    • Thomas Stockel

      I think the Arrow that airs in your universe is different from the one that airs in mine.

      • Solkir

        I’ve heard that it gets better after the point where I stopped watching.

        • Thomas Stockel

          I’m not going to deny there are some stinker episodes (For example, I despise The Huntress), but overall it’s a fun series.

          • Alexa

            I get that it gets better, but it still has really crappy acting in my opinion. And I just hate that he had to kill in the first place, even though he doesn’t kill now. I just find it unpleasant and unnecessary, and for that the show just personally pisses me off. Believe me I wanted to like it, but its really not my cup of tea…

          • Solkir

            What’s more annoying to me is how they’re telling us that his killing people was all a part of his character arch. Him going from being a vigilante to a hero. If you want to change your mind about a character’s direction that’s fine, the change is certainly for the better, but don’t sit there and lie to me.

          • Thomas Stockel

            Who is “they”, and where did they say it? And why is it so hard to believe that this was the plan all along when there were hints in the first season this was where they were going to go? You yourself admitted you stopped watching so maybe you missed the episodes I am talking about? Episodes like the ones featuring The Huntress, which concerned a murderous vigilante Ollie trained and who he realized was just a slightly crazier version of himself and seeing just how bananapants she was gave him pause. Or the episodes where his friend Tommy discovered his identity and was disgusted by his murderous ways? Or the episode where Malcolm Merlin suggested The Hood call himself Green Arrow instead and Ollie saying “That’s a stupid name”, and yet now he’s gone from calling himself “The Hood” to “The Arrow”, which happens to be the name of the series. Is being called Green Arrow now too silly for Ollie to contemplate?

            If you were watching the show in season two Ollie still kills when he thinks it’s necessary. Does it make him a bit of a hypocrite? Maybe. It just shows that it’s easy to say you’re going to do something, sometimes a lot harder to follow through.

            I’m not saying the producers haven’t changed their minds on things: Deadshot, for example. It was obvious Ollie killed him by putting an arrow through his eye, and yet somehow Floyd survived that and came back. But why is it so hard to believe the producers don’t have some general idea of where they want the show to go, a five year story arc? Producers have been known to do that. Supernatural, for example. And while not every episode was written the map was laid out to be followed.

          • Alexa

            I think beyond this aspect, which really turned me off from the character. Is that it just reminds me of people thinking going a darker route is better. In this case, no it was not. It just turned the main guy into a big unsympathetic dumbass who thought, in the beginning, the best course of action was to just kill the bad guys. Not turn them in, not foil them, just kill them. And that is what bugs me. He never considered other ways. He’s not like Dexter where because of a really traumatic past he has an urge to kill and so he decides to only kill bad guys, or Judge Dredd where he was programmed from birth to have little remorse when it comes to killing. Here he has the capacity for empathy and supposedly being a decent human, but no he just does it because he never considered alternatives, and that is why he sucks as a protagonist. He came across as arrogant, dumb, and well awful. Plus if you want your protagonist to have a moment where he has to kill, it should be a bigger deal. But nope in the very first episode, and several episodes after that, he just kills a guy in cold blood and we’re suppose to just accept it.

            And the very lackluster acting, generally annoying side characters, and the groan inducing serious tone wasn’t doing the show any favors. Also that whole attitude of Ollie saying Green Arrow is a stupid name, bugs me even more because it just reminds me of that stupid Nolanesque attitude of adapting a superhero story but having a very snarky and somewhat contemptuous attitude towards the whole concept. If you generally think superheroes are lame, whats the point of working on it if dislike the subject.

          • Thomas Stockel

            I had written this three paragraph response to rebut, well, everything you said. But I find it difficult to discuss the merits of the show with someone who doesn’t watch it, who criticizes things about the show you just don’t get. Like the “Green Arrow” thing and Ollie thinking how it’s a stupid name. Yes, he thought it was stupid. Half way through season one. And yet now he’s calling himself The Arrow and he’s wearing a domino mask. Like I said above, is Green Arrow so far away now?

            The show isn’t Nolanesque, far from it. I’m sorry you just don’t get that.

          • Alexa

            Look I’m sorry I don’t usually get into a comment war, I really don’t. Trust me I try to avoid it like the plague. Really what annoys me is the whole tone and attitude of the show reminds me a lot of how DC now thinks that we should make things darker and grittier, thus making the stories “better”, and that’s where I get the whole Nolanesque attitude from. I don’t know I just miss superhero stories where they foil villains, and fight giant robots, and stuff. Not that I want things to be Silver Age, but I’d prefer if the show would you know lighten up a bit. I guess I just miss stuff akin to the Justice League cartoon. I just don’t find the show engaging personally, again its not my cup of tea. And I guess the reason why I find the character thinking the name Green Arrow is stupid, annoying, is because I feel that attitude is kind of insulting to the guy who created the character. I just find it kind of tacky.

            Really in the end I want to apologize to you Mr. Stockel and Solkir, for starting a comment war. I didn’t mean to take up so much space with my silly griping about a harmless show, I’ve just been having a tough week and I guess this was just an excuse for me to vent. Again sorry : /

          • Thomas Stockel

            No need to apologize, Alexa. In fact, it’s me who should be apologizing. I shouldn’t be making the ‘Booth a place where our fans – especially someone else’ fan- feels like they have to defend their opinions. I took things a little too far in my overzealous defense of the show.

          • Alexa

            I just don’t want you to think I’m an over reactionary unreasonable troll, who wants to make people feel bad about what they like. That wasn’t, and is never, my intent. And believe me I want to like the show, DC geek and all, but I unfortunately didn’t is all *shrugs*. Maybe I just prefer the DC universe animated, because I hope you can agree, that Batman, Superman, and the Justice League animated shows were so much fun to watch. But I can understand if you want to watch something a little more adult 🙂

          • Thomas Stockel

            Oh hey, I didn’t get that vibe from you at all. I’ve dealt with my fair share of trolls and you are anything but! You were just stating an opinion, that’s all.

            I can certainly understand why DC animated has a greater appeal for you. I was and am a huge fan of both Dini’s era and Young Justice as well as Teen Titans (Can’t get into TT Go, though. Seeing it just reminds me of how much I miss the parent series.).

          • Alexa

            Yeah I was kind of pissed about Young Justice getting canned, as I was with Avengers: EMH. Two perfectly good shows cancelled, all because they put them at the worst time slots 😛
            On a final note, have you seen the trailer for the upcoming Constantine show. It looks amazing! The guy playing Constantine actually looks and sounds like Constantine, its uncanny and awesome. The only gripe I have is that they seem to have saddled him with a sort of sidekick/companion. So much for the whole interesting loner aspect *shrugs*

          • Thomas Stockel

            I did, and honestly I’m on the fence about it. The good thing is he’s British this time. But yeah, saddling him with a sidekick removes some of the cool factor. I see it much the same way The Doctor has companions in that you need the POV character to have things explained to them. In a comic or book you can have the wall of exposition to explain what is going on but in a movie or t.v. show that’s much harder to do.

          • Alexa

            That is true, I just hope she isn’t forced love interest (also kind of hoping against hope they keep him bisexual) or thing he has to save every week. But beyond that I like the visuals and generally it looks to be fun. Plus I am getting kind of sick of Supernatural and I am aching for a good fantasy genre show. Also I am still washing my palette of Once Upon a Time, which was such a disappointment….

          • KLLRFRST

            I know! We finally get a Constantine that’s blonde, British, and a total bloody wanker! I hope the show acknowledges his bisexuality as well.

            I’m also hoping that Keanu and Shia stay far, far away from this. However, if Tilda Swinton shows up again as Gabriel, that would make me lose my gay mind.

          • KLLRFRST

            I didn’t think you were coming off as a troll at all, so no need to apologize.

            As for the show, it doesn’t hit it’s stride until the middle of the first season. Then it gets bananas. The last few episodes leading to the season 2 finale are amazeballs.

            BTW – Love your avatar. Kate Bush’s “The Dreaming” is one of my favorite albums, ever.

          • Alexa

            So much love for Kate Bush on this site, no wonder I like it here. Yeah her song Houdini from The Dreaming was the very first song I listened to. And from there I fell in love 🙂

          • CaptainCalvinCat

            Nothing wrong in “wanting to defend a show” if other people call it bad. I do that every time, when Solkir attacks BOP for something, I would just qualify as a minor nitpick. ^^
            And concerning Arrow: I like it, but I see, where Alexa is coming from.

          • KLLRFRST

            I ran into something similar a few days ago on another forum. Some troll (not calling Alexa a troll, BTW) kept blah blah blahing about Arrow being a rip off Nolan’s Batman, and when I rebutted him (which was easy since half his “facts” were either just opinions or outright falsehoods), the only response he had was that I don’t know what I was talking about (oh, the irony) and that I never read Green Arrow before (haha, I’ve been reading about Ollie since the early 80s).

            It’s funny, because GA started out as a Batman rip-off, right down to “bored millionaire fights crime with teen sidekick, souped up vehicles, and a secret cave base”, minus the angsting over dead parents. It wasn’t until Ollie lost all his cash and hooked up with Black Canary that he became his own character.

          • Alexa

            No I was acting kind of indignant. Believe me I want to like the show but I just find it boring and frustrating. Glad they got rid of that awful voice over though.

          • KLLRFRST

            The acting gets much better across the board. Katie Cassidy (the actress that plays Laurel) still remains the weakest link, but even she has some good spots now and then. Emily Bett Rickards really shines as Felicity and Manu Bennett is the best Deathstroke since Ron Perlman on Teen Titans.

          • Alexa

            That’s nice, but I just don’t like the whole tone and attitude of the show really. The show will never jell with me because well I just don’t like the direction of the show and the main guy, he annoys me. He will always annoy me *shrugs*

  • CaptainCalvinCat

    Does anyone else feel remembered at “Empire Strikes Back” by the way, the bad guy is dying in this episode?